Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 17:46:13 08/25/04
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On August 25, 2004 at 20:16:00, Dann Corbit wrote: >On August 25, 2004 at 20:07:00, José Carlos wrote: > >>On August 25, 2004 at 19:58:21, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On August 25, 2004 at 17:41:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>I subscribe to a normal "legal philosophy" from the US. For a "crime" to be >>>>committed, a couple of things are needed. >>>> >>>>(1) Intent. You need to knowingly break the law. IE if you walk into a store, >>>>see a dollar bill laying on the floor, and you pick it up without thinking, you >>>>_could_ be accused of theft of property. But there was no intent since the >>>>floor is not a normal place for someone to leave "property" that is valuable. >>>>No crime was committed. >>>> >>>>I believe this case fits that scenario. >>>> >>>>(2) Victim. Someone has to be victimized, directly or indirectly. He's not >>>>tried to enter any ACM chess events which would victimize participants. He has >>>>not publicly claimed that his code was 100% original that I have seen, so I am >>>>not a victim. >>>> >>>>This is an unfortunate event, but one that doesn't leave me nearly as aggravated >>>>as some of the other more famous cases, like bionic, le petite, voyager, et. al. >>>> They definitely claimed the code to be original when it was not. >>> >>> Hi Bob, I'd don't quite understand your position. I'd like to know your >>>opinion about these questions, to help me clarify: >>> >>> -shoud current version of ElChinito be allowed to participate in computer >>>chess events without indicating it derives from Crafty? > >Clearly not > >>> -should Castillo and Tang be penalized somehow for previous participations? > >I think the exposure has accomplished that > >>> -is the copywright in Quisinky's page legal? > >No. > >>> -is hidding the truth acceptable when not explicity saying lies? > >Clearly not > >>> -what would you think if other 100 engines would be proven to be in the same >>>situation of ElChinito? > >I think we won't have to worry about that. Only the engines that are near to >the strength of crafty are really suspect. > >>> -should ElChinito change its name now to explicity indicate it derives from >>>Crafty? > >I think that the logical recourse is to follow the directions in the copyright. >That is to say, he should indicate that it is a crafty clone and also publish >the source code. > >>> -should current released versions of ElChinito be released again with source >>>code included? > >That would be how I read the license. > >>> José C. >> >> Participations of ElChinito at: >> >>http://www.playwitharena.com/directory/partner.htm >> >> At the end of the page. >> >> José C. The solution would be to delete the previous version of Elchinito 3.30 and release the latest version with a modified name such as Chinocraft, since the final result was to achieve a desired end :-) Meaning of Crafty = Marked by skill in achieving a desired end. Jorge
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