Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:00:08 08/25/04
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On August 25, 2004 at 19:58:21, José Carlos wrote: >On August 25, 2004 at 17:41:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>I subscribe to a normal "legal philosophy" from the US. For a "crime" to be >>committed, a couple of things are needed. >> >>(1) Intent. You need to knowingly break the law. IE if you walk into a store, >>see a dollar bill laying on the floor, and you pick it up without thinking, you >>_could_ be accused of theft of property. But there was no intent since the >>floor is not a normal place for someone to leave "property" that is valuable. >>No crime was committed. >> >>I believe this case fits that scenario. >> >>(2) Victim. Someone has to be victimized, directly or indirectly. He's not >>tried to enter any ACM chess events which would victimize participants. He has >>not publicly claimed that his code was 100% original that I have seen, so I am >>not a victim. >> >>This is an unfortunate event, but one that doesn't leave me nearly as aggravated >>as some of the other more famous cases, like bionic, le petite, voyager, et. al. >> They definitely claimed the code to be original when it was not. > > Hi Bob, I'd don't quite understand your position. I'd like to know your >opinion about these questions, to help me clarify: > > -shoud current version of ElChinito be allowed to participate in computer >chess events without indicating it derives from Crafty? No. Not even if it is clearly written that it is a derived program. That simply won't work. > -should Castillo and Tang be penalized somehow for previous participations? Question is, what have they played in besides Frank's private tournaments. I've never seen them in an event that I can call.. > -is the copywright in Quisinky's page legal? I don't see how if any of the source comes from Crafty, which it obviously did. > -is hidding the truth acceptable when not explicity saying lies? Of course not... > -what would you think if other 100 engines would be proven to be in the same >situation of ElChinito? I wouldn't be _that_ surprised. :( > -should ElChinito change its name now to explicity indicate it derives from >Crafty? > -should current released versions of ElChinito be released again with source >code included? > I don't really care about the last point. The problem is that this is something that shouldn't have happened, no doubt. But as I said, I don't see any massive attempt at fraud or anything so far. Again, I am basing my opinion only on what I know or have seen. There could be much that I don't know, or there could be nothing more to it. > José C.
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