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Subject: Re: Here are the details of CCC/CTF expenses.... and a plea to donate.

Author: Jeff Mahler

Date: 11:42:48 08/27/04

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On August 26, 2004 at 13:15:44, Steven Schwartz wrote:

>There are three major tangible parts to CCC/CTF expenses:
>     1) The cost of hosting from ISP
>     2) Payment to Tim for 24 hour technical support
>     3) Payment to me for oversight of the board
>
>There are several intangible costs:
>     1) Lost sales due to having posts on the board promoting:
>             a) competitor's products
>             b) programmer direct sales
>             c) sales of items we do not sell
>
>As far as the first group - per year:
>     1) The ISP = $599.40
>     2) Tim's support 24/7 = $2340
>     3) My time - average of 4 hours a week - including reading all moderator
>email, all complaint emails from members about other member's posts, decision
>making, responding to requests for passwords, communicating with Tim almost
>daily about CCC related issues, setting up and running elections, emailing
>membership about elections, resolving conflicts, speaking with my attorney about
>possible CCC related issues, liaison between ISP and Tim when problems pop up,
>requesting that Tim add or modify features, etc. etc. etc... "paid" at a rate of
>$7 an hour (minimum wage) = $1456
>
>That is an expense which we lay out yearly of $4395.40. This does not include
>any legal related expenses that have/might come about.
>
>I cannot quantify what we lose from the board promoting other's products, but
>perhaps it equals what we make from being associated with the board.
>
>There are 5439 active CCC/CTF email addresses right now. If I had to guess, we
>probably have between 500 and 1000 who either post or lurk in a typical month.
>
>The bad news is that when we run an election, we get all of 200 members who step
>up to vote, and I have grave concerns that a plea for donations will affect,
>maybe, that small a number or less.
>
>I have projected that the degradation of the chess software and stand-alone
>market has meant that we have paid the CCC/CTF bills, in their entirety, for
>that long which, according to my accountant, at least, is a total 3 year expense
>of $13,186.20.
>
>I am sure that some of you resent the fact that I have included a fee for myself
>in the figures above. However, that is just for accounting purposes. I do not,
>and never have, received a penny from operating the CCC, but I have certainly
>dedicated hundreds of hours (in the last three years alone) which certainly, if
>I were not busy with administering the CCC site, would have allowed me to make
>more than minimum wage. I can not count how many times I was in the middle of an
>ICD project when a frantic email came in from CCC about one thing or another.
>
>What it all comes down to is that you all see a smoothly running forum because
>we make it that way. Just because someone volunteers to host the CCC does not
>mean that everything will run the same way. There is LOTS more going on that the
>typical member does not see. Just ask the moderators.
>
>So, I will follow through on what I said last night. I would like to ask for
>donations to help defray the expenses here. I think our expending over $13,000
>over the last three years has shown our dedication to this project (and if you
>are still puzzled by my "pay", make that $9000+). I would like the membership
>now to step up and take on some of the burden.
>
>I have guaranteed to keep CCC/CTF up and running as it has been for at least 6
>months. If donations pay the expenses, we can run on indefinitely.
>
>Should donations stop and the expenses mount, I will again make a plea. If that
>does not work, I will give the membership plenty of time to move elsewhere.
>
>I think I have covered everything. If I have not, please ask and I will try to
>answer all questions.
>
>I will put up the donation information in a short while, but I am leaving
>tonight for a long weekend without a computer, thank goodness, so if I do not
>answer today, I will by Monday.
>
>Please donate!!!
>Steve
>P.S. The CTF is an extremely small drain on resourse. It does not add to the ISP
>expense nor does Tim get paid more and I have not attributed any time devoted to
>CTF to my own "allocation".




$600.00 to host??  That is almost 3 times the hosting rate from other ISP's.  It
usually goes for $20 a month.  Perhaps the e-commerce part of that is jacking up
the price.

Here is the proof:

http://www.computerconcept.net/websites.html




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