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Subject: Re: Open letter by Eugenio Castillo (ELChinito team) ...

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 12:29:15 08/28/04

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On August 28, 2004 at 14:14:12, Gerd Isenberg wrote:

>On August 28, 2004 at 13:54:43, Andrew Williams wrote:
>
>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:48:33, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>
>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:26:46, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter.
>>>>>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best
>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eugenio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>---
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's
>>>>>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I
>>>>>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays
>>>>>>any public tournaments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to
>>>>>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eugenio Castillo."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology.
>>>>>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so.
>>>>>
>>>>>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove
>>>>>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard
>>>>>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He
>>>>>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did
>>>>>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries.
>>>>>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't
>>>>>receive for what reasons ever?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos
>>>>>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of
>>>>>it's evaluation.
>>>>>
>>>>>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to
>>>>>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no
>>>>>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gerd
>>>>
>>>>I think you're being WAY too lenient here, Gerd. You must be a nicer person than
>>>>me!
>>>>
>>>>Andrew
>>>
>>>Hi Andrew,
>>>no, but what do you suggest?
>>
>>I didn't mean in terms of the punishment, but in terms of his motives and in
>>terms of El Chinito's quality. I just don't think you can take the whole board
>>structure and move generation code out of one program and then build another
>>program around it and then claim that the "new" program is your own. I believe
>>that if Eugenio had started from scratch with nothing, his program would not
>>have been anything special, BUT it would have been his own program and therefore
>>deserving of our respect.
>
>Yes, i agree.
>I welcome Eugenio to post a little bit more here in CCC,
>sharing some backgrounds and discussing ideas.
>But of course not to give away all his secrets.

You see, this is so insulting. You want to open a stage for people who committed
fraud. Bravo! Is that really what you want for the whole field of computerchess,
Gert, I beg you!



>
>Gerd
>
>
>>
>>>A life time ban?
>>
>>No.
>>
>>>A therapy by Rolf?
>>
>>Ha! You may be kinder than me, but I'm not THAT bad.
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>Andrew



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