Author: Gerd Isenberg
Date: 13:19:36 08/28/04
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On August 28, 2004 at 15:29:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On August 28, 2004 at 14:14:12, Gerd Isenberg wrote: > >>On August 28, 2004 at 13:54:43, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:48:33, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>> >>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:26:46, Andrew Williams wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi there, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter. >>>>>>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Best >>>>>>>Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Eugenio wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's >>>>>>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I >>>>>>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays >>>>>>>any public tournaments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to >>>>>>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Eugenio Castillo." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology. >>>>>>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so. >>>>>> >>>>>>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove >>>>>>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput. >>>>>> >>>>>>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard >>>>>>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He >>>>>>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did >>>>>>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries. >>>>>>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't >>>>>>receive for what reasons ever? >>>>>> >>>>>>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos >>>>>>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of >>>>>>it's evaluation. >>>>>> >>>>>>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to >>>>>>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no >>>>>>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gerd >>>>> >>>>>I think you're being WAY too lenient here, Gerd. You must be a nicer person than >>>>>me! >>>>> >>>>>Andrew >>>> >>>>Hi Andrew, >>>>no, but what do you suggest? >>> >>>I didn't mean in terms of the punishment, but in terms of his motives and in >>>terms of El Chinito's quality. I just don't think you can take the whole board >>>structure and move generation code out of one program and then build another >>>program around it and then claim that the "new" program is your own. I believe >>>that if Eugenio had started from scratch with nothing, his program would not >>>have been anything special, BUT it would have been his own program and therefore >>>deserving of our respect. >> >>Yes, i agree. >>I welcome Eugenio to post a little bit more here in CCC, >>sharing some backgrounds and discussing ideas. >>But of course not to give away all his secrets. > >You see, this is so insulting. You want to open a stage for people who committed >fraud. Bravo! Is that really what you want for the whole field of computerchess, >Gert, I beg you! Isn't that the idea of resocialisation? > > > >> >>Gerd >> >> >>> >>>>A life time ban? >>> >>>No. >>> >>>>A therapy by Rolf? >>> >>>Ha! You may be kinder than me, but I'm not THAT bad. >>> >>>:-) >>> >>>Andrew
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