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Subject: Re: Open letter by Eugenio Castillo (ELChinito team) ...

Author: Gerd Isenberg

Date: 13:19:36 08/28/04

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On August 28, 2004 at 15:29:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On August 28, 2004 at 14:14:12, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>
>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:54:43, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>
>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:48:33, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:26:46, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter.
>>>>>>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Best
>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eugenio wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's
>>>>>>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I
>>>>>>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays
>>>>>>>any public tournaments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to
>>>>>>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eugenio Castillo."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology.
>>>>>>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove
>>>>>>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard
>>>>>>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He
>>>>>>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did
>>>>>>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries.
>>>>>>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't
>>>>>>receive for what reasons ever?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos
>>>>>>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of
>>>>>>it's evaluation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to
>>>>>>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no
>>>>>>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gerd
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you're being WAY too lenient here, Gerd. You must be a nicer person than
>>>>>me!
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew
>>>>
>>>>Hi Andrew,
>>>>no, but what do you suggest?
>>>
>>>I didn't mean in terms of the punishment, but in terms of his motives and in
>>>terms of El Chinito's quality. I just don't think you can take the whole board
>>>structure and move generation code out of one program and then build another
>>>program around it and then claim that the "new" program is your own. I believe
>>>that if Eugenio had started from scratch with nothing, his program would not
>>>have been anything special, BUT it would have been his own program and therefore
>>>deserving of our respect.
>>
>>Yes, i agree.
>>I welcome Eugenio to post a little bit more here in CCC,
>>sharing some backgrounds and discussing ideas.
>>But of course not to give away all his secrets.
>
>You see, this is so insulting. You want to open a stage for people who committed
>fraud. Bravo! Is that really what you want for the whole field of computerchess,
>Gert, I beg you!

Isn't that the idea of resocialisation?

>
>
>
>>
>>Gerd
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>A life time ban?
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>>A therapy by Rolf?
>>>
>>>Ha! You may be kinder than me, but I'm not THAT bad.
>>>
>>>:-)
>>>
>>>Andrew



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