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Subject: Re: Open letter by Eugenio Castillo (ELChinito team) ...

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 14:27:56 08/28/04

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On August 28, 2004 at 16:19:36, Gerd Isenberg wrote:

>On August 28, 2004 at 15:29:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On August 28, 2004 at 14:14:12, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>
>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:54:43, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:48:33, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:26:46, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter.
>>>>>>>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Best
>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Eugenio wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's
>>>>>>>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I
>>>>>>>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays
>>>>>>>>any public tournaments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to
>>>>>>>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Eugenio Castillo."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology.
>>>>>>>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove
>>>>>>>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard
>>>>>>>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He
>>>>>>>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did
>>>>>>>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries.
>>>>>>>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't
>>>>>>>receive for what reasons ever?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos
>>>>>>>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of
>>>>>>>it's evaluation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to
>>>>>>>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no
>>>>>>>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gerd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you're being WAY too lenient here, Gerd. You must be a nicer person than
>>>>>>me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Andrew,
>>>>>no, but what do you suggest?
>>>>
>>>>I didn't mean in terms of the punishment, but in terms of his motives and in
>>>>terms of El Chinito's quality. I just don't think you can take the whole board
>>>>structure and move generation code out of one program and then build another
>>>>program around it and then claim that the "new" program is your own. I believe
>>>>that if Eugenio had started from scratch with nothing, his program would not
>>>>have been anything special, BUT it would have been his own program and therefore
>>>>deserving of our respect.
>>>
>>>Yes, i agree.
>>>I welcome Eugenio to post a little bit more here in CCC,
>>>sharing some backgrounds and discussing ideas.
>>>But of course not to give away all his secrets.
>>
>>You see, this is so insulting. You want to open a stage for people who committed
>>fraud. Bravo! Is that really what you want for the whole field of computerchess,
>>Gert, I beg you!
>
>Isn't that the idea of resocialisation?

If you dont mind, that term is only existing for the time after punishment but
not directly after the crime. :)

Well, Eugenio could well become street-worker and starting to heal the thousands
who also are trying to cheat with such chess programs. But all that after a
long-term imprisonment.


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>>
>>
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>>>
>>>Gerd
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A life time ban?
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>>A therapy by Rolf?
>>>>
>>>>Ha! You may be kinder than me, but I'm not THAT bad.
>>>>
>>>>:-)
>>>>
>>>>Andrew



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