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Subject: Re: an endgame test position

Author: martin fierz

Date: 22:58:00 08/28/04

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On August 28, 2004 at 19:40:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 28, 2004 at 18:40:43, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>aloha!
>>
>>after all the cloning talk, here's something to test your favorite engine with:
>>i played a weakish IM today and got the following position after 56...Qg6+
>>57.Kf2:
>>
>>[D] 8/6kp/8/3p4/1P4q1/P4p2/5K2/4Q3 b - - 0 57
>>
>>it took me a couple of seconds to see that after 57...Qh4+ 58. Kf1 Qxe1+ 59.
>>Kxe1 Kf6 black is completely winning due to the floating square (it's nice to
>>see that reading dvoretzky is some good!) and so i played that and won :-)
>>
>>interestingly, when i entered this game in chessbase running fritz7 in the
>>background, fritz didn't seem to see this at all within a minute or so. so
>>question to all: how long does your favorite engine need to see the line ...Qh4+
>>Kf1 Qxe1+ with a HUGE plus score (i.e. +9 or so - that is what my assessment of
>>the position was after a couple of seconds...)?
>>
>>i don't want to claim that this is the only win, but it is by far the easiest
>>one, and fritz 7 misses it completely.
>>
>>cheers
>>  martin
>
>
>Crafty instantly says Qg2+ is +6 here, it sees the queen trade in a different
>way than your check.
>
>                6     0.13  -5.61   1. ... Qg2+ 2. Ke3 f2 3. Qxf2 d4+ 4.
>                                    Ke2 d3+ 5. Ke3 Qxf2+ 6. Kxf2 Kf6 7.
>                                    a4
>                6->   0.13  -5.61   1. ... Qg2+ 2. Ke3 f2 3. Qxf2 d4+ 4.
>                                    Ke2 d3+ 5. Ke3 Qxf2+ 6. Kxf2 Kf6 7.
>                                    a4

hi bob,

in the above line of crafty it does indeed see a queen trade in a different way,
but i must add the line given there is in fact a win for white! perhaps you
should check your split passer vs connected passer eval for this case :-)


>                7     0.18  -5.53   1. ... Qg2+ 2. Ke3 Kf8 3. Qb1 Qe2+
>                                    4. Kf4 Qe4+ 5. Qxe4 dxe4 6. Ke3 h5
>                                    7. Kxe4

...while this time it's working, and this is an alternative win, as are the
other lines given later.

cheers
  martin



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