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Subject: Re: Another Vincent "masterpiece

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:15:49 08/30/04

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On August 30, 2004 at 00:10:01, Derek Paquette wrote:

>On August 29, 2004 at 21:27:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>Here is a quote from ICC:
>>
>>quote on===================================================
>>DIEP(C DM)(64): because they claimed having 'solved' chess and people like hyatt
>>supporting that indirectly (by saying that nothing ever can get better than that
>>old program)
>>quote off==================================================
>>
>>This is _another_ case where I want to see a _specific_ quote, or a specific
>>citation for an article where I made that statement (nothing can ever get better
>>than DB).  I've never said it.  I've never implied it.  In fact, I have been
>>quoted more than once where I predicted that hardware would eventually take us
>>well beyond DB's speed/performance.
>>
>>My quote was that in 1997, it would take 10+ years for a micro-computer based
>>program to approach DB's speed.  Today I can hit 10M nodes per second on a quad
>>opteron, 20M on an 8-way.  Probably approaching 40M on a 16-way box.  That isn't
>>as fast as DB, but it is in the ballpark.  And I still have 3 more years on my
>>"prediction".  Next year AMD has promised a dual-core opteron, so that 16-way
>>box will instantly become a 32-way box.  80M if there is no clock speed
>>improvement, yet they say it will be faster via clock as well.  So 2007 may be
>>enough time to hit 200M roughly, if not more.
>>
>>But to Vincent, once again, please provide an exact quote with the source, or an
>>exact citation of a paper I wrote, where I made the statement you claimed I
>>made.  All I claim is that you are a liar.
>>
>>Here's yet another case to join the JICCA paper you claimed I wrote, the CCC
>>posts you claimed I made, etc.
>>
>>The list is growing.
>>
>>Your credibility is shrinking.  Why don't you just adopt the policy of not using
>>_my_ name with your nonsense?  I don't exactly drop your name in every
>>conversation I hold.  You ought to do the same.  You'd look a lot less ignorant.
>
>This actually leads to an interesting question,
>
>If you were able to put together a 32cpu cluster for Crafty, how do you think it
>would fair vs DB at this point?

I really don't know.  They had chess knowledge I do not have at present.  So
even if I was as fast, I'm not sure I would have really good chances.  And
without the actual box to play against, there is no way to know anything for
sure...



>Also, if someone were to ask you, what is the best cpu's for crafty, would you
>answer
>opteron?
>xeon?
>Itanium? (I heard these were very good for chess)


Opteron at present, by a big margin.



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