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Subject: Re: Hydra node speed from CSS forum

Author: Mark Young

Date: 13:39:22 08/30/04

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On August 30, 2004 at 15:33:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 30, 2004 at 14:51:01, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 30, 2004 at 13:51:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 30, 2004 at 12:24:54, Volker Böhm wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 30, 2004 at 10:02:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 30, 2004 at 08:30:34, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 30, 2004 at 08:12:52, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eine FPGA-Karte untersucht momentan ca. 3 Millionen Positionen/Sekunde. 16
>>>>>>>Karten machen daher theoretisch 48 MPos/sec. (Donninger)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      If Hydra made 48 Mpos/sec this again proves (in comparison
>>>>>>      with the 2 Mpos/sec on Quad-Opteron server with 4 CPU's of
>>>>>>      Shredder) that the number of pos/sec can't be taken as a
>>>>>>      reliable value for the goodness of a chess program. It's
>>>>>>      of course simply impossible to compare apples and organes.
>>>>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't forget that Hydra ripped Shredder's head off.  So the NPS _might_ be
>>>>>significant here...
>>>>
>>>>Didn´t I´ve heard you saying that 10 games are not enough to draw a
>>>>statistically significant conclusion on the playing strength?
>>>>
>>>>Greetings Volker
>>>
>>>
>>>With two _close_ opponents, correct.  But if one is seriously stronger, as hydra
>>>appeared to be, 10 games is plenty.
>>
>>We do not know if hydra is seriously stronger.
>
>We have a pretty good clue that it is.  It is over 10x faster, potentially, than
>other programs.
>
>1. I first assume that the programmer / designer is no dummy.
>
>2.  all else being "equal" 10x faster is a _serious_ advantage.
>
>3.  the above two points translate into a signficant strength advantage.
>
>
>>
>>You cannot start by assuming that hydra is significantly stronger when this is
>>the question.
>
>With evidence, you can.  IE I can certainly assume that Crafty on an 8-way
>opteron is significantly stronger than Crafty on my dual xeon.
>
>
>>
>>If you see 10-0 you can say based on the result that Hydra is significantly
>>stronger but when you see 5.5-2.5 you cannot claim it based on the result and
>>you only can say that you do not know if it is significantly stronger based on
>>the result.
>>
>
>
>If you only look at the results, maybe or maybe not.  But I watched many of the
>games with Crafty analyzing.  That tells you even more.

Common sense should tell us that Hydra is stronger. It should have a big
hardware advantage. I think this is your point, and I agree. But I still need
more data to be sure. Right now there is only a 1 in 6 chance that Hydra is the
stronger program based on the games alone.

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>>Uri



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