Author: José Carlos
Date: 10:27:15 08/31/04
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On August 31, 2004 at 13:15:54, Steven Schwartz wrote: >On August 31, 2004 at 12:42:07, José Carlos wrote: > >>On August 31, 2004 at 12:01:39, Steven Schwartz wrote: >> >>>First of all, I want to thank all of the members who have chosen to >>>contribute to the CCC. It would have been impossible for us to >>>continue if members did not open their wallets. I have guaranteed the >>>membership that CCC will stay right where it is until, at least, February >>>no matter what happened. >>> >>>However, there is still a ways to go to have the CCC/CTF pay its own >>>way, so that we can avoid commercialism and keep the board right here, >>>running as smoothly as it has for the last 7 years. >>> >>>Here are the details of what has transpired so far (as of right now): >>>59 members have contributed a total of $1935. That is an average donation >>>of $32.80. The donations have ranged from $5 to $250. >>> >>>This is a somewhat less than 1/2 of what is needed to make the CCC/CTF totally >>>self sufficient cost-wise. The goal is to reach $4400. It does not pay >>>for the outlay of money that we have put into CCC for the last three >>>years (I am not asking for that back. I do not feel that is right), but it does >>>take the burden of the next year's expenses off our back. >>> >>>If the goal can be reached, the guarantee can be pushed till next August. At >>>that time, we can make decisions as to how and where CCC will be housed >>>thereafter. >>> >>>We did an emailing which is ending shortly to all CCC/CTF members >>>asking for contributions. I also posted here on CCC. One of the problems >>>may be that August is a big time for vacations. >>> >>>What appears to have happened is that about 1% of the total membership >>>and, perhaps, 6% to 12% of the "active" membership, has responded to our plea >>>for donations. That is a bit disppointing considering the fact that even the >>>elections manage to bring out 200 or so people. >>> >>>So, please, if you have used and enjoyed CCC over the years, consider >>>making a donation to keep everything as it has been. There are links >>>at the top of the message board to make it easy, and you may contribute >>>as little as $5 or as much as you wish. The money will ONLY be used to >>>pay the bills at CCC. >> >> I said from the begining that I wouldn't pay. I can't at this moment, but I >>wouldn't even if I could because it's against my idea of how this is supposed to >>work. I said, and still think the same, that a sponsor should be found and >>otherwise, someone else should host the forum, for which there were very >>interesting proposals. >> I repeat my position because the above comments look pretty much like a moral >>manoeuvre, which I don't like. I hope this kind of comments don't put me in a >>"bad people list". >> In fact, I prefer a obligatory fee and being out because of it than this way >>of categoryze people in "good guys" and "those who enjoy the forum but don't >>move a finger to help keeping it alive". >> >> Just my opinion, >> José C. > > >Jose, >I thought I made it clear that I asked for donations so as to not burden >those who could not pay nor make demands on those who felt everything should >be free on the internet. > >I do not see this as a good guys vs. bad guys situation. > >When I made my plea to the members, I gave four choices: >12 a) some other organization can take over the responsibility of hosting > 4 b) CCC and CTF can be disbanded and members can rejoin the USENET >44 c) members can pay a yearly fee to belong > 5 d) members can voluntarily contribute > >The numbers to the left of the choices are the count of members who chose >each option (at least that is what their posts indicated). > >Having done this for 7 seven years, I can assure you that someone >moving the site to another server, free of charge, is only taking >over a small percentage of the expenses and none of the daily >administration and maintenance necessary to run the CCC properly. > >But, come next February or next August if the membership feels as >if it wants to move elsewhere, I will not be insulted nor embarrassed. >I will just be a bit concerned that the CCC will not be run with the >diligent attention to detail that it has in the past. > >The one thing I will not miss will be the loss of income that has >come along with the hosting over the last three years. > >There is no Hall of Shame for members who do not donate. If you can't >afford to or do not want to, that is fine. That is why it is called a >donation. >Steve I won't doubt what you say. But I expressed what I felt when reading. Sometimes we say something and the others receive a different message. Hence my post to make things clear. But it doesn't mean I don't thank you for all these years of perfect working of the forum. As we say in Spain: "lo cortés no quita lo valiente". José C.
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