Author: Peter Berger
Date: 15:29:47 08/31/04
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On August 31, 2004 at 15:00:43, Steven Schwartz wrote: >On August 31, 2004 at 14:13:29, Brian Kostick wrote: > >>On August 31, 2004 at 13:18:05, Steven Schwartz wrote: >> >>>On August 31, 2004 at 13:05:21, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>> >>>>Personally i will not pay to support CTF, so as long as that is part of the >>>>"deal" then i will not send any money. >>> >>>Then you will be happy to know that Peter Berger sent in a donation >>>which covers, in its entirety, the expenses related to CTF. Not another >>>penny is needed to maintain CTF. >>>Steve >> >> >>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?384539 >> >>That was $2200 if the CCC/CTF are treated equally responsible? If not, can CCC >>pay the same contribution as Peter and be finished with this business? BK > > > >CTF is "small potatoes" compared to CCC. The server space is more than >sufficient to handle the extra CTF bandwidth, and Tim kept his expense to a >minimum when the CTF was piggybacked to the CCC. If we were to run the >CTF by itself, then the expenses would be much, much higher. > >If the reality is a protest against the existence of CTF, then I have >no answer, but from an expense standpoint, there is no issue. > >Those who know me, know that I am a very strong proponent of free >speech. How many other companies are crazy enough to allow people to >come and speak their minds freely? If I did not run a legitimate business >(or even if I do), can you imagine what abuse I open myself up for here. > >I wish everyone would treat the two forums separately and not make >decisions about donating to CCC because of the existence of CTF. But >if you feel that making a stand on CTF is worth it, then so be it. > >At worst, the CTF is a place for many CCC members to blow off steam - >steam that would certainly engulf CCC itself had the relief valve not >been there. At best it is a place where people from all over the world >can express their opinions on a series of issues which affect us all. > >Do I agree with everything said there? Of course not. But I am proud that >I can offer a place where everyone can come and say what's on their mind. >Steve Ah well - you didn't have any right to disclose that I spent a reasonable amount of money to sponsor CTF, Steve. It's probably cultural differences again - about donations in this case, privacy is crucial and self-understood in Europe, when it is about this one - your behaviour would have been highly offensive here, still I am convinced that you were not aware of it at all. Anyway - if you want to punish ICD for also hosting CTF , by all means do it. If you just look for a silly excuse to not help CCC though, don't use this one -it would be plain dumb. Similar to Sean Empey's offer I can easily give CTF a new home if ever it becomes necessary, and I am ready and willing to do it. I hope my statement will help people to concentrate on the question instead, if they are willing to support the CCC for the many hours of fun and enlightenment it gave to them. CTF is a sidekick, that is fun for some - they will deal with their expenses on their own though. Thanks for listening, Peter
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