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Subject: Re: WAC 141 blowup

Author: Chris Welty

Date: 02:09:49 09/01/04

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On September 01, 2004 at 03:58:46, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 01, 2004 at 03:30:42, Chris Welty wrote:
>
>>On September 01, 2004 at 00:51:47, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>>
>>>I know this is a long shot throwing this out there without much more
>>>info, but perhaps I'll get lucky and someone has seen this before.
>>>It's appeared on this bulletin board about 6 years ago.
>>>
>>>[D]4r1k1/p1qr1p2/2pb1Bp1/1p5p/3P1n1R/1B3P2/PP3PK1/2Q4R w - - bm Qxf4; id
>>>"WAC.141";
>>>
>>>without mate threat code
>>
>>>10/46  g2f1 471.92 -825 92873175 g2f1 e8b8 h1g1 f4e6 h4h5
>>>11/46> g2f1 666.85 -575 133140320 g2f1 e8b8 h1g1 f4e6 h4h5
>>
>>Perhaps the problem's not in the mate threat extension but somewhere else? When
>>Altamax sees Qxf4 the PV is only 10 ply long:
>>6 347 0 196349 Qxf4 Bxf4 Rxh5 gxh5 Rxh5 Bh6 Rxh6 Qg3+ Kxg3 Kf8  196kn /2.80s =
>>70.2kn/s
>
>Does it use null move pruning?

Altamax does. In this line giving black 2 moves in a row would either lead to a
free piece (after Qxf4) or mate (after all other moves) so null-move pruning
should not happen.

>
>I use null move pruning and evaluation based pruning so I need bigger depth to
>see Qxf4.
>
>Uri



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