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Subject: Re: WAC 141 blowup

Author: GeoffW

Date: 16:56:30 09/01/04

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On September 01, 2004 at 18:20:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 01, 2004 at 00:51:47, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>
>>I know this is a long shot throwing this out there without much more
>>info, but perhaps I'll get lucky and someone has seen this before.
>>It's appeared on this bulletin board about 6 years ago.
>>
>>[D]4r1k1/p1qr1p2/2pb1Bp1/1p5p/3P1n1R/1B3P2/PP3PK1/2Q4R w - - bm Qxf4; id
>>"WAC.141";
>>

This was an interesting post as I have just been adding mate threat extensions
to my program and fixing a bug or several at the same time.

One of the things I noticed that was a little puzzling was the +2

if (value == -MATE + ply + 2)
        mate_threat = 1;

For my program it needs to be +1 to make this work correctly. I discussed this
with Ross (Trace) and it was +1 for him too, yet for Stuart and Crafty that
needs to be +2, still havent explained that one ?

The thing I cant decide now is have I implemented this correctly without a bug ?
From my results it seems that it could be correct, but the search explosion is
very bad at deeper ply (compared to Bobs quoted figures )
Maybe the threat extension code is OK, but just highlighting my poor move
ordering ?

Any thoughts would be appreciated

here are my results


check extensions, but no mate threat extensions

Ply  Eval   Time      Nodes   Principle Variation
 9   -151    606    5753869   g2f1 e8c8 c1b1 f4d5 h1g1 d6f4 b3d5 d7d5 f1e1
10+  -106   1456   14387871   g2f1
10+   194   2910   29451052   g2f1 g8f8 h4h5 g6h5 h1h5 e8e1 f1e1 f4h5 c1h6 f8e8
h6h8 d6f8 h8h5 f8b4 e1d1
10   9989   4514   49522394   c1f4 d6f4 h4h5 g6h5 h1h5 f4h6 h5h6 c7h2 h6h2 g8f8
h2h8

Computer's move: c1f4


check extensions, and mate threat extensions
 6   -210     10     106899   g2f1 a7a5 f6e5 f4d3 c1g5 d3e5 d4e5 d6e5 g5g6
 7   -203     48     462385   g2f1 e8e2 c1b1 d6e7 h4f4 c7f4 f1e2 f4f6
 8+  -158    214    2114011   g2f1 e8e2 c1b1 e2d2 f6g5 d2d4 g5f4 d6f4 b1g6
 8+   142    237    2343262   c1f4
 8     94    290    2904048   c1f4 e8e6 h4h5 g6h5 f4g5 g8f8 b3e6 f7e6 g5h5
 9+   139    337    3307392   c1f4
 9+   439    521    5024678   c1f4
 9    462    810    7874059   c1f4 e8e6 f4g5 d6e7 b3e6 e7f6 g5g6 f6g7 e6b3 a7a5
g6h5 d7d4 h4d4 g7d4
10+   507   1128   10950029   c1f4
10+   807   1945   19089764   c1f4
10   9989  10639  144085366   c1f4 d6f4 h4h5 g6h5 h1h5 f4h6 h5h6 c7g3 g2g3 a7a5
h6h8

Computer's move: c1f4

          Geoff















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