Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 02:42:50 09/02/04
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On September 02, 2004 at 05:23:35, Ingo Bauer wrote: >On September 02, 2004 at 05:10:27, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On September 02, 2004 at 04:05:09, Ingo Bauer wrote: >> >>>On September 01, 2004 at 17:11:59, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>I thought that an experiment was necessary to pit Shredder 8 without Opening >>>>Book versus Aristarch 4.50 with opening book in a short match of 20 games at >>>>G/30. >>> >>>First of all I think that this experiment is pretty worthless, except it might >>>bring some fun because of the "handicap" situation. >>> >>>If you would play these 20 games in the Shredder Classic GUI with its learning >>>capabilities for UCI-Shredder switched on and installed 5pcs tablebases I would >>>guess the outcome would be a a slight advantage for Shredder. (Btw because of >>>THE UCI implementation in the Classic-GUI it would be beeter to do it there!) >>>The longer you make the time control the more I would prefer Shredder. >>> >>>Bye Ingo >> >>If my mother wasn't dead she would still be alive. I decided to run this match >>under the normal shredder GUI, NOT the classic and the point was to see if a >>strong engine like shredder 8 without Opening Book can still beat one of the >>strongest free engine like Aristarch 4.50 or LIST 512. I came with this idea >>because I saw no point in handicaping List 512 in this previous match, either >>all engines run with Opening Books, or all the engines are handicaped without >>Opening books, in case List512 doesn't have one, then a subtitute Opening Book >>from the arena website like the Mainbook by Harry Schnapp or Dr. Waehl could be >>provided: >>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?385498 > >I dont want to argue to much about that topic because it is not worth it but >just two points. > >1. It seems we disagree what the "normal" Shredder GUI is (and I am pretty sure >the programer of Shredder disagrees with you too) > >2. The tourney without book for List makes sence if you want to test complete >"chess-entitys" as they are released. > >Of course I agree that an Engine without a book is a huge handicap for that >engine! > >Bye Ingo We finally agree that an Engine without a book has a huge handicap, therefore, only tourney with engines that have their own opening books should be run or another tourney with engines that don't have opening books should be matched separately, and on the second part the problem could be solved by providing a single Mainbook like the one from Arena by harry Schnapp. Jorge
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