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Subject: Re: WAC 141 blowup

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:21:41 09/02/04

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On September 02, 2004 at 16:44:58, Stuart Cracraft wrote:

>On September 02, 2004 at 15:31:31, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>On September 02, 2004 at 09:45:25, Michael Henderson wrote:
>>
>>>On September 02, 2004 at 02:39:28, martin fierz wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 01, 2004 at 10:11:18, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 01, 2004 at 05:57:25, martin fierz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 01, 2004 at 00:51:47, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Muse on P4 2.4GHz finds the mate at ply 6, failing high on Qxf4 after 0.7
>>>>>>seconds (not shown in the logfile).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>the reason it can solve this at such a low search depth is probably twofold, the
>>>>>>first is that it generates checks in qsearch on the first ply of the qsearch (so
>>>>>>when you drop directly into qsearch with a nullmove, it will see Rh8# every
>>>>>>time), the second is probably that it is using mate-threat extensions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>cheers
>>>>>>  martin
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you get 2 plies only by mate extensions?
>>>>>In order to do it you need to extend 2/3 ply for mate threat.
>>>>>
>>>>>The line 1.Qxf4 Bxf4 2.Rxh5 gxh5 3.Rxh5 Bh6 4.Rxh6 is 7 plies and qsearch here
>>>>>does not see mate because it is black to move so I need 8 plies even if I
>>>>>disable pruning by evaluation.
>>>>
>>>>hi uri
>>>>
>>>>the reason must be that after 2.Rxh5 i get a mate threat extension and after
>>>>3.Rxh5 again, and since i do a full ply for that, my program sees it.
>>>>
>>>>cheers
>>>>  martin
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>With pruning by evaluation latest movei get it only in 10 plies but I think to
>>>>>change my pruning to make it see it faster.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>is recapture extension also playing a role here?...if that applies.
>>
>>it doesn't apply for me, but it probably depends on what an engine would
>>classify as a "recapture". some people might call any sequence of two captures
>>on the same square a recapture, for me a recapture is only if a piece of the
>>same value is recaptured. this isn't the case here.
>>
>>cheers
>>  martin
>
>I consider a recapture to be a capture that restores the root material
>difference to what it was at ply = 0, before the search.
>
>Stuart


That is no good.  The starting position comes right after I played BxN.  It is
your move and you start the search.  Material score is -3 for you.  After you
make the re-capture at ply=1, I play RxR at ply=2.  Score = -5.  You play RxR to
make the score 0 again.  0 != -3 so you don't extend.




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