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Subject: Re: Pro Deo in Arena

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:53:03 09/03/04

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On September 03, 2004 at 12:49:50, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 03, 2004 at 12:38:48, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2004 at 12:28:03, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2004 at 11:52:57, Peter Berger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 03, 2004 at 11:40:21, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Tell your friend he is wrong, nowadays there is very little to gain with SEARCH
>>>>>>(in comp-comp) because even nowadays so-called amateur programs are real good in
>>>>>>that. Today the top programs win their games because of better chess knowledge,
>>>>>>this shift started 2-3 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>      This is of course well known to all experts in the chess
>>>>>      computerworld
>>>>
>>>>Really? I was under the impression that several experts thought that Shredder's
>>>>main advantage compaired to other top programs was its highly selective search,
>>>>including some of the programmers of these other top programs.
>>>
>>>       Hi Peter
>>>       Of course can the search of programs still be improved
>>>       but FQ spoke of "more tactic" and I understood Ed that
>>>       to improve this would no longer be the main purpose of
>>>       the programmers with their top engines.
>>>       Kurt
>>
>>I think of more tactics as result of bigger depth because of pruning and it
>>means also seeing deeper in positional lines.
>>
>>I understood that Ed suggested that better evaluation is important today and not
>>better search.
>>
>>Uri
>
>and here are Ed's exact words
>
>"there is very little to gain with SEARCH"

Of course he says it only about today programs and here is his post:
http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?385789

Uri



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