Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 10:07:04 09/03/04
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On September 03, 2004 at 11:20:37, Ed Schröder wrote: >On September 03, 2004 at 03:25:35, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On September 02, 2004 at 20:19:39, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On September 02, 2004 at 17:53:20, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>On September 02, 2004 at 17:28:18, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>thanks Ed! >>>> >>>>Your words are nice to read for me: >>>> >>>>- A little bit against my bad conscience >>>> (Leiden 2000, or 2001). >>>> >>>>- mail to your beta testers in test time of Gandalf 5.1 >>>> >>>>But nobady is perfect! >>>>In this time I made to many things and loosed in a lot of cases the feeling for >>>>the situation. >>> >>>Okay Frank, let's forget about the past and make a fresh new start, will you? >>> >>>My best to you, >>> >>>Ed >> >>Hi Ed, >> >>yes, that would be great! >> >>I have a little question Ed! >>Not the right thread but important for me. >> >>Since over one year I come back to my first years of computer chess. I try to >>reproduce my collection of favorite chess computers and played a lot games in my >>free time this year. I like the Mephisto chassi of Mephisto Milano, Berlin, >>Modena, Atlanta and have here all six types. My favorite is Mephisto Milano >>(like the playing style and the display information). >> >>The question I have: >>You created at last the following programs: >> >>Mephisto MMV (very tactical) >>Mephisto Milano (combination tactic and positional playing style) >>Mephisto Polgar (positional playing style) >> >>After all my tests for many years and in this times :-) I believe the best one >>is the Mephisto Milano but not in the SSDF. This my opinion about it and it >>would nice to know what you are thinking about it. I believe the way you go with >>the program style in Mephisto Milano is the way you search for your first "PC" >>chess programs. Your experiments with GM human games in the following years are >>a second good example. Do you think that the Mephisto Milano is the strongest of >>this three chess computers? Is this right that you try to find out the >>combination of positional and tactic playing style in your first PC chess >>program up to today in Rebel / ProDeo? With time we can see that the combinated >>engines are stronger with the tactical only engines. The hardware is faster and >>in the first years of computer chess the tactical programs have an advantage. So >>it's a little bit a sensation that the Milano and not the MMV is stronger chess >>computer (in my opinion). >> >>Your answer will be great for a lot of chess computer fans I know becuase this >>question is a long time questions if we played our tournaments. Have this >>discuss with my chess friend each time we play our tourneys. Perhaps you find >>the time for an answer. > >I would rate the Milano as the best but between the 3 of them is not much >difference in strength, not more than 30 maximum 50 elo. The problem was that >since the Polgar I already had reached the limitations of the 8-bit processor >and its limited RAM and ROM and thus no big improvements could be expected. > >Requests from me to H&G for more RAM and speed were declined and so they more or >less forced me to find my own way and move on to a new processor instead, this >against the express wish of H&G. My choice fell on the Archimedes RISC chip >which later was produced by H&G after all (known as the Mephisto RISC) after a >lot of juridical tug-of-war. > > >>Today we have the discuss that Rebel can be stronger with "only" more tactic >>(opinion from my chess friend, not my). > >Tell your friend he is wrong, nowadays there is very little to gain with SEARCH >(in comp-comp) because even nowadays so-called amateur programs are real good in >that. Today the top programs win their games because of better chess knowledge, >this shift started 2-3 years ago. > >My best, > >Ed Hi Ed, thanks, that is exactly the opinion I have and I believe the most of the better chess knowledge you speak is in the endgame. Perhaps the secret or the biggest of the secrets today. But you can see that different amateurs improved the programs in endgame. The best example is AnMon with have an really bad endgame in the 4.x and first 5.x versions. Christian Barreteau know it and works in the latest versions a little bit on the endgame and the program is today clearly stronger. Your Risc 1MB and the King program (Saitek Rics) are on my wish list for the future. I search this two computers and have all I have interest. Not easy to get this older chess computers today. In the past I have both and the Risc 1MB is around 150-200 ELO stronger as the Milano. I can't say why but I like more the Milano. The Milano is my favorite chess computer (I believe the best 8Bit program) and good enough for play a game in the free time. I have a good performance on the level "1 minute for a move". 10/12/2 ... I won 10x and only two games are remis :-) Yes, we all know that with a stronger hardware your programs are on the same or better level as the Lang programs. I have in this years never the money to buy the Lang Mephisto Moduls and I am happy with the computers I buy. OK, enough ... The good old days with the chess computers, I like it a lot! Best Frank
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