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Subject: Re: How I Learned to Stop Hating 141 & Crafty 19.17

Author: Stuart Cracraft

Date: 12:48:25 09/03/04

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On September 03, 2004 at 10:41:04, Michael Henderson wrote:

>On September 03, 2004 at 10:16:46, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2004 at 10:13:35, Michael Henderson wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2004 at 08:57:49, Andrew Platt wrote:
>>>
>>>>Just to show how slippery this position is, I just tried it with Crafty 19.17
>>>>and it fails to find the mate in ply 9 and now takes a long time to find it:
>>>>
>>>>unable to open book file [./book.bin].
>>>>book is disabled
>>>>unable to open book file [./books.bin].
>>>>
>>>>Crafty v19.17
>>>>
>>>>White(1): ponder off
>>>>pondering disabled.
>>>>White(1): setboard 4r1k1/p1qr1p2/2pb1Bp1/1p5p/3P1n1R/1B3P2/PP3PK1/2Q4R w - -
>>>>White(1): analyze
>>>>Analyze Mode: type "exit" to terminate.
>>>>              clearing hash tables
>>>>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 22.50 (3:30)
>>>>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>>                7     0.26     +1   1. Kf1!!
>>>>                7     0.57  -1.88   1. Kf1 Kf8 2. Bc2 c5 3. dxc5 Qxc5 4.
>>>>                                    Qd2 Qd5
>>>>                7->   0.59  -1.88   1. Kf1 Kf8 2. Bc2 c5 3. dxc5 Qxc5 4.
>>>>                                    Qd2 Qd5
>>>>                8     1.52     +1   1. Kf1!!
>>>>                8     3.41  -0.99   1. Kf1 a5 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+
>>>>                                    4. Kxe1 Nxh5 5. Qg5+ Kf8 6. Qh6+ Kg8
>>>>                                    7. Qxh5
>>>>                8->   3.46  -0.99   1. Kf1 a5 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+
>>>>                                    4. Kxe1 Nxh5 5. Qg5+ Kf8 6. Qh6+ Kg8
>>>>                                    7. Qxh5
>>>>                9     7.75  -0.70   1. Kf1 a5 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Re1+
>>>>                                    4. Kxe1 Nxh5 5. Qg5+ Kf8 6. Qh6+ Ke8
>>>>                                    7. Qh8+ Bf8 8. Qxh5
>>>>                9     8.59     +1   1. Qxf4!!
>>>>                9     8.98     +3   1. Qxf4!!
>>>>                9     9.80     +M   1. Qxf4!!
>>>>                9    46.31  12.35   1. Qxf4 Be5 2. dxe5 Qd8 3. Bxd8 Rexd8
>>>>                                    4. Qf6 Kf8 5. Bxf7
>>>>                9->  46.32  12.35   1. Qxf4 Be5 2. dxe5 Qd8 3. Bxd8 Rexd8
>>>>                                    4. Qf6 Kf8 5. Bxf7
>>>>               10    59.13     +1   1. Qxf4!!
>>>>               10     1:12     +3   1. Qxf4!!
>>>>               10     1:32     +M   1. Qxf4!!
>>>>               10     7:05  Mat06   1. Qxf4 Bxf4 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Bh6
>>>>                                    4. Rxh6 Qh2+ 5. Kxh2 Kf8 6. Rh8#
>>>>               10->   7:05  Mat06   1. Qxf4 Bxf4 2. Rxh5 gxh5 3. Rxh5 Bh6
>>>>                                    4. Rxh6 Qh2+ 5. Kxh2 Kf8 6. Rh8#
>>>>exit           11     7:30    1/6?  1. Qxf4
>>>>White(1): exit
>>>>analyze.White(1): analyze complete.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm still not seeing it till ply 12 so mine takes even longer!
>>>>
>>>>Andy.
>>>
>>>my engine, which has only mate threat extension and a captures only qsearch,
>>>also takes 12 plies to find the mate.  It sees that Qxf4 is winning at ply 9. I
>>>use R = 2/3.
>>>132 seconds for a 12 ply search.
>>>
>>>setboard 4r1k1/p1qr1p2/2pb1Bp1/1p5p/3P1n1R/1B3P2/PP3PK1/2Q4R w - - bm Qxf4; id
>>>analyze
>>>
>>>1 -101 0 375 g2h2
>>>2 -121 0 94 g2h2 e8e2
>>>3 -168 1 1238 g2f1 f4d3 c1c2
>>>4 -174 1 1589 g2f1 f4e2 c1c2 a7a5
>>>5 -159 4 14044 g2f1 e8e2 h1g1 a7a5 g1g3
>>>6 -175 15 36735 g2f1 c6c5 d4c5 f4d3 c1h6 d6c5
>>>7 -180 48 125259 g2f1 e8e2 c1b1 d6e7 h4f4 c7f4 f1e2 e7f6
>>>8 -166 109 269919 g2f1 e8e2 c1b1 e2d2 b1c1 d6b4 h1g1 c7d6
>>>9 578 740 2537825 c1f4 d6e7 b3f7 g8f8 f6e5 g6g5 f4f5 c7a5 f5d7 f8f7 h4h5 a5a2
>>>10 903 1506 3165852 c1f4 d6e7 h4h5 e7f6 f4f6 c7g3 f2g3 g6h5 f6g6 g8f8 g6c6 d7d4
>>>c6b5
>>>11 951 3393 8126737 c1f4 d6e7 h4h5 e7f6 f4f6 c7g3 g2g3 g6h5 f6c6 e8e7
>>>12 19986 13175 40793708 c1f4 d6e7 h4h5 e7f6 f4f6 c7g3 g2g3 g6h5 h1h5 e8e7 f6h8#
>>>move c1f4
>>
>>Hmm -- guess I feel heartened that even the great Crafty sees that the
>>reply to Qxf4 is not Bxf4.
>
>Both Be7 and Bxf4 lose in the same amount of ply, so it is probably nothing to
>worry about--the same score would be backed up.

Thanks!



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