Author: Albert Silver
Date: 06:06:27 09/06/04
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On September 06, 2004 at 08:35:00, David Mitchell wrote:
>On September 05, 2004 at 14:44:23, otis williams wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm simply appalled that CCC associates with the Neo-Nazi racist So called
>>Chess thinkers forum, which discuss everything but chess. As long as CCC is
>>connected in anyway shape or form with CTF i will not donate a Red Cent! CTF
>>discredits the owners of this forum and everyone who associates with it. I hope
>>Mr Steve will listen to the pleas of the many members who object to it's
>>presence and have the decency to toss it to the wind.
>
>CTF was established to discuss topics other than just chess, as I understand it.
>So no topic is off limits in CTF, in contrast to CCC. In that way, CTF
>compliments CCC's much more narrow topic set.
>
>My question is "Do we need CTF"? With all the thousands of usenet groups and web
>sites, why do we want/need another unmoderated, off-topic (imo), general forum?
First of all, it *is* moderated. Second of all, you did indeed understand the
purpose of CTF, which should answer Viktar's reply on the lack of chess
discussions, but in your further suggestion missed the point.
CTF was established because here in CCC, members would often enough go into long
off-topic discussions on a variety of subjects. The reason being they had grown
to know one another, and in a normal desire to socialize, wanted to be able to
talk about other interet if the mood struck them. However, the charter being
what it is on off-topic subjects.... So CTF came about (I think that's its 3rd
or 4th name btw, though Fernando would know best) to allow CCC members talk
_among_themselves_ about whatever they pleased. It is those underlined words
that are the reason a plain other general topic forum is not the solution. Mind
you, many of the posters there are indeed CCC regulars, justifying this. As I
said, there are a number of notable computer chess programmers and others
involved in computer chess who post and read there quite regularly. Naturally,
over time, it has also developed its own identity, beyond being a mere
"all-that-is-not-CCC" forum.
The news of the day is most oftne the main subject, so today that means the
Russian school tragedy, the US election, etc. Nothing surprising. That doesn't
mean it is limited to this, and one can find discussions on other subjects. It
does get quite a number of threads, so you may feel there is an obsession on
these subjects, but it isn't really so. One must look at the dates the threads
were started.
Albert
>If anyone wants to read/post about Israel/Palestinian issues, etc., there are
>lots of newsgroups (like soc.culture.palestine), where these other issues are
>covered in detail.
>
>I believe CTF is useless. It's just a volleyball net strung up next to a
>football game. imo
>
>If CCC is a financial/time burden, I'd like to see CCC move to a moderated
>newsgroup forum, without any CTF counterpart.
>
>Dave
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