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Subject: Re: Mate in 30

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 16:24:06 09/06/04

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On September 06, 2004 at 19:14:37, Stuart Cracraft wrote:

>On September 06, 2004 at 18:12:40, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 06, 2004 at 17:50:11, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>>
>>>On September 06, 2004 at 16:37:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 06, 2004 at 15:07:00, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[D] 5n2/B3K3/2p2Np1/4k3/7P/3bN1P1/2Prn1P1/1q6 w - - 0 0
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone can get this besides Ed?
>>>>>
>>>>>Please post your search times.
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>>
>>>>Latest movei does it in 0.17 seconds at depth 6 on A3000 and movei that
>>>>participates in WBEC does a similiar result.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>6 9941 17 133417 e3g4 e5f5 g4h6 f5e5 h6f7 e5f5 f7d6 f5e5 f6g4 e5d5 g4e3 d5e5
>>>>d6f7 e5e4 f7g5 e4e5 g5f3 e5e4 f3d2 e4e5 d2f3 e5e4 f3g5 e4e5 g5f7 e5e4 f7d6 e4e5
>>>>e3g4 e5d5 g4f6 d5e5 d6f7 e5f5 f7h6 f5e5 h6g4 e5f5 g4e3 f5e5 f6g4 e5e4 g4f2 e4e5
>>>>f2d3 e5e4 d3f2 e4e5 f2g4 e5e4 g4f6 e4e5 e3c4 e5f5 c4d6 f5e5 f6g4 e5d5 c2c4
>>>>6 9941 17 135968 e3g4 e5f5 g4h6 f5e5 h6f7 e5f5 f7d6 f5e5 f6g4 e5d5 g4e3 d5e5
>>>>d6f7 e5e4 f7g5 e4e5 g5f3 e5e4 f3d2 e4e5 d2f3 e5e4 f3g5 e4e5 g5f7 e5e4 f7d6 e4e5
>>>>e3g4 e5d5 g4f6 d5e5 d6f7 e5f5 f7h6 f5e5 h6g4 e5f5 g4e3 f5e5 f6g4 e5e4 g4f2 e4e5
>>>>f2d3 e5e4 d3f2 e4e5 f2g4 e5e4 g4f6 e4e5 e3c4 e5f5 c4d6 f5e5 f6g4 e5d5 c2c4
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>Had you tuned previously with this position (seen it before)?
>>
>>Yes but when I did the change that let movei to solve it I did not think
>>specifically about this position(in the past I did not find a solution that will
>>be good both for this position and other positions so I did not keep it but I
>>think that later I found good ideas for change that is good both for this
>>position and other positions).
>>
>>Now I am afraid that movei may crash in some positions
>>After all if it can search 59 plies with searching to depth of 6 plies it may
>>also search more than 100 plies with searching to depth of 11 plies in some
>>position.
>>
>>The chance that it can crash is very small and I know that it played hundreds of
>>games without crashing including many games in Leo's tournament but
>>I will probably check in the beginning of the search that ply is not too big in
>>order to prevent problems even if they are very rare.
>>
>>Note that in this case it extends almost 2 plies for a single reply to check but
>>in most cases it does not extend so much and the extension of almost 2 plies
>>that I have usually does not cause the tree to explode relative to no extension.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Why does it extend almost 2 plies for a single reply to check? Please
>talk about your >1 extension in this case.

2 reasons:
1)botvinik extension for repeating checks.
2)evaluation is bad for the side that gives the check.

Uri



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