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Subject: Re: Has anyone done a Crafty version tournament?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:25:47 09/07/04

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On September 07, 2004 at 14:26:10, David Dahlem wrote:

>On September 07, 2004 at 13:29:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 07, 2004 at 12:26:59, David Dahlem wrote:
>>
>>>On September 07, 2004 at 11:46:59, Axel Schumacher wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 07, 2004 at 10:38:25, Cliff Sears wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Has anyone done a tournament  Crafty's to see if maybe one of the older versions
>>>>>may be better than the newer versions?
>>>>>
>>>>>I seem to recall someone awile ago saying they thought Crafty 18.13 was one of
>>>>>the best.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here the Crafty-Version I tested in my Tournament (after 133.000 games, Blitz):
>>>>
>>>>Crafty 16.1		2539	94
>>>>Crafty 17.13		2646	867
>>>>Crafty 17.14		2627	125
>>>>Crafty 18.10		2651	665
>>>>Crafty 18.12		2657	359
>>>>Crafty 18.13		2585	231
>>>>Crafty 18.14		2625	242
>>>>Crafty 18.15		2632	327
>>>>Crafty 19.00		2486	117
>>>>Crafty 19.01		2616	304
>>>>Crafty 19.03		2640	350
>>>>Crafty 19.03 Nimzovich	2427	15
>>>>Crafty 19.03 Petrosian	2662	48
>>>>Crafty 19.03 Stein	2668	198
>>>>Crafty 19.04 Fischer	2685	231
>>>>Crafty 19.04 Stein	2672	136
>>>>Crafty 19.04b Stein	2615	47
>>>>Crafty 19.05		2634	80
>>>>Crafty 19.06		2646	110
>>>>Crafty 19.07		2628	92
>>>>Crafty 19.07 SE		2610	57
>>>>Crafty 19.08 SE		2630	89
>>>>Crafty 19.09		2652	143
>>>>Crafty 19.10 CCT6	2663	126
>>>>Crafty 19.11		2643	105
>>>>Crafty 19.12		2627	302
>>>>Crafty 19.13		2632	196
>>>>Crafty 19.14		2616	259
>>>>Crafty 19.14 nonsmp	2586	108
>>>>Crafty 19.15		2672	373
>>>>Crafty 19.17		2621	70
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Axel
>>>
>>>Hi Axel
>>>
>>>Which build of Crafty 19.17 did you use in this test? I am currently testing two
>>>builds by Peter Skinner, an all-processor build, and a build optimized for a P3.
>>>Both versions surely seem to be doing much worse than previous versions. :-(
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>>You need to be sure and clear position learning files before a match, and be
>>sure that the two versions use different book.bin files or learning will
>>definitely be broken.
>
>Thanks. But i am not testing one Crafty version against another Crafty version.
>I am testing against different engines. And i don't use the Crafty book. I use a
>custom pgn book with the Arena pgnbook option, so both engines play both sides
>of each fairly equal line.
>
>Dave


Different flaw then.  Crafty has learning code.  You are playing without using
it....  What difference would the book make since if a commercial program plays
against crafty in a real tournament, crafty will _not_ be using some half-baked
book that might not fit its playing style very well?

However, I only care about "best" vs "best" myself, others might be interested
in some other sort of comparison, but I will never play in a WCCC event without
having a reasonable book, so any other kind of match won't give much useful
information IMHO...






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