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Subject: Re: Has anyone done a Crafty version tournament?

Author: David Dahlem

Date: 15:15:54 09/07/04

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On September 07, 2004 at 15:25:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 07, 2004 at 14:26:10, David Dahlem wrote:
>
>>On September 07, 2004 at 13:29:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On September 07, 2004 at 12:26:59, David Dahlem wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 07, 2004 at 11:46:59, Axel Schumacher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 07, 2004 at 10:38:25, Cliff Sears wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Has anyone done a tournament  Crafty's to see if maybe one of the older versions
>>>>>>may be better than the newer versions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I seem to recall someone awile ago saying they thought Crafty 18.13 was one of
>>>>>>the best.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here the Crafty-Version I tested in my Tournament (after 133.000 games, Blitz):
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty 16.1		2539	94
>>>>>Crafty 17.13		2646	867
>>>>>Crafty 17.14		2627	125
>>>>>Crafty 18.10		2651	665
>>>>>Crafty 18.12		2657	359
>>>>>Crafty 18.13		2585	231
>>>>>Crafty 18.14		2625	242
>>>>>Crafty 18.15		2632	327
>>>>>Crafty 19.00		2486	117
>>>>>Crafty 19.01		2616	304
>>>>>Crafty 19.03		2640	350
>>>>>Crafty 19.03 Nimzovich	2427	15
>>>>>Crafty 19.03 Petrosian	2662	48
>>>>>Crafty 19.03 Stein	2668	198
>>>>>Crafty 19.04 Fischer	2685	231
>>>>>Crafty 19.04 Stein	2672	136
>>>>>Crafty 19.04b Stein	2615	47
>>>>>Crafty 19.05		2634	80
>>>>>Crafty 19.06		2646	110
>>>>>Crafty 19.07		2628	92
>>>>>Crafty 19.07 SE		2610	57
>>>>>Crafty 19.08 SE		2630	89
>>>>>Crafty 19.09		2652	143
>>>>>Crafty 19.10 CCT6	2663	126
>>>>>Crafty 19.11		2643	105
>>>>>Crafty 19.12		2627	302
>>>>>Crafty 19.13		2632	196
>>>>>Crafty 19.14		2616	259
>>>>>Crafty 19.14 nonsmp	2586	108
>>>>>Crafty 19.15		2672	373
>>>>>Crafty 19.17		2621	70
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>Axel
>>>>
>>>>Hi Axel
>>>>
>>>>Which build of Crafty 19.17 did you use in this test? I am currently testing two
>>>>builds by Peter Skinner, an all-processor build, and a build optimized for a P3.
>>>>Both versions surely seem to be doing much worse than previous versions. :-(
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>You need to be sure and clear position learning files before a match, and be
>>>sure that the two versions use different book.bin files or learning will
>>>definitely be broken.
>>
>>Thanks. But i am not testing one Crafty version against another Crafty version.
>>I am testing against different engines. And i don't use the Crafty book. I use a
>>custom pgn book with the Arena pgnbook option, so both engines play both sides
>>of each fairly equal line.
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>Different flaw then.  Crafty has learning code.  You are playing without using
>it....  What difference would the book make since if a commercial program plays
>against crafty in a real tournament, crafty will _not_ be using some half-baked
>book that might not fit its playing style very well?
>
>However, I only care about "best" vs "best" myself, others might be interested
>in some other sort of comparison, but I will never play in a WCCC event without
>having a reasonable book, so any other kind of match won't give much useful
>information IMHO...

Well, it's just my personal opinion, but if both engines are using the same
book, in fact, play both sides of each line, then it's a fair match. :-)

Regards
Dave



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