Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:11:11 09/07/04
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On September 07, 2004 at 20:09:11, David Dahlem wrote: >On September 07, 2004 at 19:35:06, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On September 07, 2004 at 18:15:54, David Dahlem wrote: >> >>>On September 07, 2004 at 15:25:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On September 07, 2004 at 14:26:10, David Dahlem wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 07, 2004 at 13:29:58, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 07, 2004 at 12:26:59, David Dahlem wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 07, 2004 at 11:46:59, Axel Schumacher wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On September 07, 2004 at 10:38:25, Cliff Sears wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Has anyone done a tournament Crafty's to see if maybe one of the older versions >>>>>>>>>may be better than the newer versions? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I seem to recall someone awile ago saying they thought Crafty 18.13 was one of >>>>>>>>>the best. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here the Crafty-Version I tested in my Tournament (after 133.000 games, Blitz): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Crafty 16.1 2539 94 >>>>>>>>Crafty 17.13 2646 867 >>>>>>>>Crafty 17.14 2627 125 >>>>>>>>Crafty 18.10 2651 665 >>>>>>>>Crafty 18.12 2657 359 >>>>>>>>Crafty 18.13 2585 231 >>>>>>>>Crafty 18.14 2625 242 >>>>>>>>Crafty 18.15 2632 327 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.00 2486 117 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.01 2616 304 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.03 2640 350 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.03 Nimzovich 2427 15 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.03 Petrosian 2662 48 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.03 Stein 2668 198 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.04 Fischer 2685 231 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.04 Stein 2672 136 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.04b Stein 2615 47 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.05 2634 80 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.06 2646 110 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.07 2628 92 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.07 SE 2610 57 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.08 SE 2630 89 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.09 2652 143 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.10 CCT6 2663 126 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.11 2643 105 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.12 2627 302 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.13 2632 196 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.14 2616 259 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.14 nonsmp 2586 108 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.15 2672 373 >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.17 2621 70 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cheers >>>>>>>>Axel >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Axel >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Which build of Crafty 19.17 did you use in this test? I am currently testing two >>>>>>>builds by Peter Skinner, an all-processor build, and a build optimized for a P3. >>>>>>>Both versions surely seem to be doing much worse than previous versions. :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>You need to be sure and clear position learning files before a match, and be >>>>>>sure that the two versions use different book.bin files or learning will >>>>>>definitely be broken. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks. But i am not testing one Crafty version against another Crafty version. >>>>>I am testing against different engines. And i don't use the Crafty book. I use a >>>>>custom pgn book with the Arena pgnbook option, so both engines play both sides >>>>>of each fairly equal line. >>>>> >>>>>Dave >>>> >>>> >>>>Different flaw then. Crafty has learning code. You are playing without using >>>>it.... What difference would the book make since if a commercial program plays >>>>against crafty in a real tournament, crafty will _not_ be using some half-baked >>>>book that might not fit its playing style very well? >>>> >>>>However, I only care about "best" vs "best" myself, others might be interested >>>>in some other sort of comparison, but I will never play in a WCCC event without >>>>having a reasonable book, so any other kind of match won't give much useful >>>>information IMHO... >>> >>>Well, it's just my personal opinion, but if both engines are using the same >>>book, in fact, play both sides of each line, then it's a fair match. :-) >>> >>>Regards >>>Dave >> >> >>Fine. Let's meet up on a Karate mat one afternoon. BTW you _do_ have your >>black belt, right? Because if we meet on the mat, it _must_ be fair since we >>both will be using the same rules and equipment. :) >> >>Your statement is simply flawed. > >Only in your mind. Fine. When do we meet on the karate mat for _another_ "fair contest"???
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