Author: Axel Schumacher
Date: 19:11:30 09/07/04
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On September 07, 2004 at 11:06:15, otis williams wrote: >On September 06, 2004 at 22:21:53, Fernando Villegas wrote: > >>After coming back from some job engagements in some nasty places -you can guess >>where- I have became acquainted of two very unpleasant things happening here: >>a) the need of some payments or money deliveries from our part to keep this site >>working at all. >>b) the attacks from some member here to the sheer existence of CTF. >> >>Respect the first issue, everything has been said and now we only has to put the >>money where our written words are. >>Respect the second issue, I am in real sorrow to discover that some friends of >>mine, as John Merlino and Steven Blincoe, has fallen in the same temptation of >>other people that interest me less o nothing, many of them, by the way, just new >>members with few or none experience about what this site means. The by now usual >>complaint of most the complainers is of being CTF a place where nazism, racism, >>ranting, etc are the main stuff of almost every post. Some people even believes >>it is an enough reason to ask his demise the simple fact that the name of that >>site does not fit with its content. Even there are guys here that thinks they >>are entitled to complain and yell and at the same time recognize with the utmost >>lack of logic and common sense they does not go there or just once or twice. >> >>ALL OF THIS IS NO SENSE BECAUSE... >> >>...because Steven S. and me, fernando,created CTF precisely to give space to >>discuss stuff different to the already well fed chess thing. Are you going to >>take that into account for even one time or you will continue with the already >>tired and non sensical acusation of being, CTF; "non chess related"? >>...because people here and there are not just abstract entities coming to >>discuss chess or not chess in any place available, but has became, along these >>years, friends or at least people that knows each other and want to discuss with >>each other HERE. >>...because nobody is coerced to go to CTF. >>...because the cost of CTF is marginal to the mantention of this site. VERY >>marginal indeed. >>...because at least HALF the money already collected comes from CTF members and >>so there is NOT a case where CTF is or will be kept alive due to the pious >>generosity of purely CCC members. >>... because its is really LOW to make of Timothy or any other member target and >>almost main guilty of the BTW preposterous acusations againts CTF >>...because I am afraid many people here talk loud againts CTF just because once >>they went there and were badly defeated in his debates or even insulted, yes, >>but for any sensate person with a minimal force of temperament and maturity that >>are not reasons legitimate enough to kill the entire place. >>That is called revenge and it is a very nasty fature. >>...because I smell the awful odor of prudish minds lurking here with the usual >>belief that his sometimes narrow ideas about what is good or wrong are universal >>Kantian moral laws. >> >>Fernando Villegas >>Coordinator and OLD member in all senses. > > > > That you would support such a Trashy place speaks alot about your Chracter, >that you lack sensitivity to the extreme. Frankly I am shocked at some of the >big names like ED Shroeder that i see post there. Your Freedom of speech baloney >is the exact same rhetoric the Klu Klux Klan using when staging Marches and >protest here in the U.S.A. My advice to you Fernando is to first go back on >vacation a little longer, and then take some cultural sensitivity courses, when >you associate with racist you make yourself indirectly one. With all due to respect, but I think you have no idea what you're talking about. CTF is not more trashy than any other place humans inhabit. There are human beings posting on that forum. Human beings with all their ingenuity, superb ideas and also their stupid, racist and naive views (such as creationsim). That's life. The vast majority of posters are very well behaving, intelligent and respectful persons. Of course, some people post views and ideas which can be regarded as racistic, trashy or whatever. Luckily, for every of these posts, many arguments against these ideas are posted as well. That is an inherent important point in any productive thinking process. What is a disatrous criminal statement for one persons can be totally logical for another. Nothing is wrong with that unless people get hurt or violate laws. The very basic nature of ideas is that they have to be presented. CTF is a good (yet not perfect) place for that. Since it is a discussion forum, it is only logical that a lot of topics are controversial, if not, they would be no need to discuss them. Personally, I think the 'value' of CTF outweights CCC easily. Regards Axel
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