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Subject: Re: Regarding CCC/CTF relationships

Author: Jonas Bylund

Date: 23:11:29 09/07/04

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On September 08, 2004 at 01:52:31, Lin Harper wrote:

>   The two groups exist in parallel, and have done for some years now. When it
>came to light that we should all help pick up the tab for the maintaining of the
>server, a certain amount of ill will set in, at least for a few people.
>   A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show
>support for CTF, a forum they don't like because of the perceived mood and lack
>of manners of a lot of CTF posters.
>  CTF members generally have at least a passing interest in computer chess too.
>Most of them have several chess playing programs. It's a safe bet they read CCC,
>even if they rarely post. And being established as friends on CTF, they fire
>broadsides at each other in the knowledge that there is generally no lasting ill
>will. If you would care to start dropping into CTF regularly and joining in a
>bit, you may even start enjoying the good natured atmosphere.
>  We are really just parts 'a' and 'b' of the same group. If either group were
>to disappear, the administrative cost would be virtually unchanged, so it's not
>a matter of one group subsidising the other.
>  best regards
>  Lin Harper

During this debate i have frequently read the CTF forum to be sure if it was as
bad as i remembered it and i found it to be even worse... I see no friendly
atmosphere other than a couple of nice guys from the CCC forum once in a while
joking with eachother, but besides from that it is a horrible place IMO.

I don't see how them having a passing interest in computer chess have anything
to with CTF as computer chess is virtually never discussed there and having a
chessprogram does not qualify in my book as being on topic :)

"A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show
support for CTF" i wouldn't say it was "a couple of guys" i got the impression
that a lot of guys from the CCC forum felt that way.

To me it is not a question of saving money to drop CTF, it is a question of
princibles, i find that place to be bad and i don't want to donate to a forum
that is associated with it.



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