Author: Ulrich Tuerke
Date: 02:38:33 09/08/04
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On September 08, 2004 at 02:11:29, Jonas Bylund wrote: >On September 08, 2004 at 01:52:31, Lin Harper wrote: > >> The two groups exist in parallel, and have done for some years now. When it >>came to light that we should all help pick up the tab for the maintaining of the >>server, a certain amount of ill will set in, at least for a few people. >> A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show >>support for CTF, a forum they don't like because of the perceived mood and lack >>of manners of a lot of CTF posters. >> CTF members generally have at least a passing interest in computer chess too. >>Most of them have several chess playing programs. It's a safe bet they read CCC, >>even if they rarely post. And being established as friends on CTF, they fire >>broadsides at each other in the knowledge that there is generally no lasting ill >>will. If you would care to start dropping into CTF regularly and joining in a >>bit, you may even start enjoying the good natured atmosphere. >> We are really just parts 'a' and 'b' of the same group. If either group were >>to disappear, the administrative cost would be virtually unchanged, so it's not >>a matter of one group subsidising the other. >> best regards >> Lin Harper > >During this debate i have frequently read the CTF forum to be sure if it was as >bad as i remembered it and i found it to be even worse... I see no friendly >atmosphere other than a couple of nice guys from the CCC forum once in a while >joking with eachother, but besides from that it is a horrible place IMO. I agree that dropping into ctf at times and reading a few posts there can create this impression. However, you shouldn't forget that it's basically the same persons (or a fraction of them) who are posting in CCC. IMHO, the relatively high number of naughty quarrels and insults in ctf just refelects how much more difficult it is to successfully communicate over some conflict loaded issue like Palestine or the Iraq war. It's not so easy to create emotions and tensions, when discussing the efficiency of a hash algorithm. -:) After all, who of us is really trained to debate constructively via an internet forum ? IMHO, this is quite a challenge. There are times when I am becoming annoyed about the tone in ctf too; nevertheless I see it as a chance to learn a bit. If you try to join the discussions open-minded and you are ready to listen, I think that you may learn a bit about a foreign religion, foreign culture, some area of science, ... whatever. In summary, I think that ctf is place which is worth being maintained. However it may be a good idea to reconsider moderation issues. Thx, Uli > >I don't see how them having a passing interest in computer chess have anything >to with CTF as computer chess is virtually never discussed there and having a >chessprogram does not qualify in my book as being on topic :) > >"A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show >support for CTF" i wouldn't say it was "a couple of guys" i got the impression >that a lot of guys from the CCC forum felt that way. > >To me it is not a question of saving money to drop CTF, it is a question of >princibles, i find that place to be bad and i don't want to donate to a forum >that is associated with it.
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