Author: Gerd Isenberg
Date: 02:53:18 09/08/04
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On September 08, 2004 at 02:55:32, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On September 08, 2004 at 02:11:29, Jonas Bylund wrote: > >>On September 08, 2004 at 01:52:31, Lin Harper wrote: >> >>> The two groups exist in parallel, and have done for some years now. When it >>>came to light that we should all help pick up the tab for the maintaining of the >>>server, a certain amount of ill will set in, at least for a few people. >>> A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show >>>support for CTF, a forum they don't like because of the perceived mood and lack >>>of manners of a lot of CTF posters. >>> CTF members generally have at least a passing interest in computer chess too. >>>Most of them have several chess playing programs. It's a safe bet they read CCC, >>>even if they rarely post. And being established as friends on CTF, they fire >>>broadsides at each other in the knowledge that there is generally no lasting ill >>>will. If you would care to start dropping into CTF regularly and joining in a >>>bit, you may even start enjoying the good natured atmosphere. >>> We are really just parts 'a' and 'b' of the same group. If either group were >>>to disappear, the administrative cost would be virtually unchanged, so it's not >>>a matter of one group subsidising the other. >>> best regards >>> Lin Harper >> >>During this debate i have frequently read the CTF forum to be sure if it was as >>bad as i remembered it and i found it to be even worse... I see no friendly >>atmosphere other than a couple of nice guys from the CCC forum once in a while >>joking with eachother, but besides from that it is a horrible place IMO. >> >>I don't see how them having a passing interest in computer chess have anything >>to with CTF as computer chess is virtually never discussed there and having a >>chessprogram does not qualify in my book as being on topic :) >> >>"A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show >>support for CTF" i wouldn't say it was "a couple of guys" i got the impression >>that a lot of guys from the CCC forum felt that way. >> >>To me it is not a question of saving money to drop CTF, it is a question of >>princibles, i find that place to be bad and i don't want to donate to a forum >>that is associated with it. > > > Hi Jonas > I fully agree with you. I am wondering why some people > regularly try to play down CTF to a normal forum. > Kurt Hi Kurt, sorry, what is a "normal" forum? I agree that there is a lot of junk in CTF, but also brilliant posts about various topics. CTF, even moderated, is a kind of anarchic - free speach has some drawbacks sometimes. Even if i don't post there regulary, reading CTF is often a kind awareness widening for me, to learn about how various people from different cultures talk and think about antisemitism, terrorism and other political, religious and social topics. I guess without CTF, CCC-moderators will have an even harder job here to act on off topic posts. Therefore all CCC-members profit from CTF, whether they like it or not. Using and profit from CCC for free in the past, but suddenly question CTF due to a voluntary donation looks like a double moral standard to me. Cheers, Gerd
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