Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 03:30:45 09/08/04
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On September 08, 2004 at 05:53:18, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>On September 08, 2004 at 02:55:32, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On September 08, 2004 at 02:11:29, Jonas Bylund wrote:
>>
>>>On September 08, 2004 at 01:52:31, Lin Harper wrote:
>>>
>>>> The two groups exist in parallel, and have done for some years now. When it
>>>>came to light that we should all help pick up the tab for the maintaining of the
>>>>server, a certain amount of ill will set in, at least for a few people.
>>>> A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show
>>>>support for CTF, a forum they don't like because of the perceived mood and lack
>>>>of manners of a lot of CTF posters.
>>>> CTF members generally have at least a passing interest in computer chess too.
>>>>Most of them have several chess playing programs. It's a safe bet they read CCC,
>>>>even if they rarely post. And being established as friends on CTF, they fire
>>>>broadsides at each other in the knowledge that there is generally no lasting ill
>>>>will. If you would care to start dropping into CTF regularly and joining in a
>>>>bit, you may even start enjoying the good natured atmosphere.
>>>> We are really just parts 'a' and 'b' of the same group. If either group were
>>>>to disappear, the administrative cost would be virtually unchanged, so it's not
>>>>a matter of one group subsidising the other.
>>>> best regards
>>>> Lin Harper
>>>
>>>During this debate i have frequently read the CTF forum to be sure if it was as
>>>bad as i remembered it and i found it to be even worse... I see no friendly
>>>atmosphere other than a couple of nice guys from the CCC forum once in a while
>>>joking with eachother, but besides from that it is a horrible place IMO.
>>>
>>>I don't see how them having a passing interest in computer chess have anything
>>>to with CTF as computer chess is virtually never discussed there and having a
>>>chessprogram does not qualify in my book as being on topic :)
>>>
>>>"A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show
>>>support for CTF" i wouldn't say it was "a couple of guys" i got the impression
>>>that a lot of guys from the CCC forum felt that way.
>>>
>>>To me it is not a question of saving money to drop CTF, it is a question of
>>>princibles, i find that place to be bad and i don't want to donate to a forum
>>>that is associated with it.
>>
>>
>> Hi Jonas
>> I fully agree with you. I am wondering why some people
>> regularly try to play down CTF to a normal forum.
>> Kurt
>
>Hi Kurt,
>
>sorry, what is a "normal" forum?
>
>I agree that there is a lot of junk in CTF, but also brilliant posts about
>various topics. CTF, even moderated, is a kind of anarchic - free speach has
>some drawbacks sometimes.
>
>Even if i don't post there regulary, reading CTF is often a kind awareness
>widening for me, to learn about how various people from different cultures talk
>and think about antisemitism, terrorism and other political, religious and
>social topics.
>
>I guess without CTF, CCC-moderators will have an even harder job here to act on
>off topic posts. Therefore all CCC-members profit from CTF, whether they like it
>or not.
>
>Using and profit from CCC for free in the past, but suddenly question CTF due to
>a voluntary donation looks like a double moral standard to me.
>
>Cheers,
>Gerd
Hi Gerd
It is true: I seldom visit CTF and has never posted
there. But what I have lately seen there regarding
terrorism was sufficient for me to conclude that CTF
is not a "normal" forum where such things would be
be cancelled on the spot and where the writers would
be banned by cancelling their passwords.
Kurt
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