Author: Ulrich Tuerke
Date: 04:29:30 09/08/04
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On September 08, 2004 at 07:22:38, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On September 08, 2004 at 06:50:10, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: > >>On September 08, 2004 at 06:30:45, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On September 08, 2004 at 05:53:18, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>> >>>>On September 08, 2004 at 02:55:32, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 08, 2004 at 02:11:29, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 08, 2004 at 01:52:31, Lin Harper wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The two groups exist in parallel, and have done for some years now. When it >>>>>>>came to light that we should all help pick up the tab for the maintaining of the >>>>>>>server, a certain amount of ill will set in, at least for a few people. >>>>>>> A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show >>>>>>>support for CTF, a forum they don't like because of the perceived mood and lack >>>>>>>of manners of a lot of CTF posters. >>>>>>> CTF members generally have at least a passing interest in computer chess too. >>>>>>>Most of them have several chess playing programs. It's a safe bet they read CCC, >>>>>>>even if they rarely post. And being established as friends on CTF, they fire >>>>>>>broadsides at each other in the knowledge that there is generally no lasting ill >>>>>>>will. If you would care to start dropping into CTF regularly and joining in a >>>>>>>bit, you may even start enjoying the good natured atmosphere. >>>>>>> We are really just parts 'a' and 'b' of the same group. If either group were >>>>>>>to disappear, the administrative cost would be virtually unchanged, so it's not >>>>>>>a matter of one group subsidising the other. >>>>>>> best regards >>>>>>> Lin Harper >>>>>> >>>>>>During this debate i have frequently read the CTF forum to be sure if it was as >>>>>>bad as i remembered it and i found it to be even worse... I see no friendly >>>>>>atmosphere other than a couple of nice guys from the CCC forum once in a while >>>>>>joking with eachother, but besides from that it is a horrible place IMO. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't see how them having a passing interest in computer chess have anything >>>>>>to with CTF as computer chess is virtually never discussed there and having a >>>>>>chessprogram does not qualify in my book as being on topic :) >>>>>> >>>>>>"A couple of guys on CCC inferred that to make a donation would be to show >>>>>>support for CTF" i wouldn't say it was "a couple of guys" i got the impression >>>>>>that a lot of guys from the CCC forum felt that way. >>>>>> >>>>>>To me it is not a question of saving money to drop CTF, it is a question of >>>>>>princibles, i find that place to be bad and i don't want to donate to a forum >>>>>>that is associated with it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jonas >>>>> I fully agree with you. I am wondering why some people >>>>> regularly try to play down CTF to a normal forum. >>>>> Kurt >>>> >>>>Hi Kurt, >>>> >>>>sorry, what is a "normal" forum? >>>> >>>>I agree that there is a lot of junk in CTF, but also brilliant posts about >>>>various topics. CTF, even moderated, is a kind of anarchic - free speach has >>>>some drawbacks sometimes. >>>> >>>>Even if i don't post there regulary, reading CTF is often a kind awareness >>>>widening for me, to learn about how various people from different cultures talk >>>>and think about antisemitism, terrorism and other political, religious and >>>>social topics. >>>> >>>>I guess without CTF, CCC-moderators will have an even harder job here to act on >>>>off topic posts. Therefore all CCC-members profit from CTF, whether they like it >>>>or not. >>>> >>>>Using and profit from CCC for free in the past, but suddenly question CTF due to >>>>a voluntary donation looks like a double moral standard to me. >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>>Gerd >>> >>> Hi Gerd >>> It is true: I seldom visit CTF and has never posted >>> there. But what I have lately seen there regarding >>> terrorism was sufficient for me to conclude that CTF >>> is not a "normal" forum where such things would be >>> be cancelled on the spot and where the writers would >>> be banned by cancelling their passwords. >>> Kurt >> >>Look Kurt, the problem is to say, what is "normal". > > That's true indeed. > Kurt > >>Usually, we consider something as being "normal" in case it fits into our >>standard European view of the world. For instance, "our" media are reporting >>pictures and opinions about Near East in a way which differs a lot from the >>reports in USA and Israel. >>It's then natural to assume that opinions which are deviating so much from our >>standard wisdom must be due to bad intentions; they must be purely >>propagandistic. But that's a mistake and what you reply may very well insult >>other posters. > > If so, I can confirm that this was of course > not my intention. Some misunderstandings may > also be due to my insufficient knowledge of > the English language. It's often difficult > for me to distinguish the nuances. Sorry Kurt. It seems that you have got me wrong. I did not want to say that this post of yours had insulted anybody. It surely hasn't. It seems that I have expressed myself unfortunately. Your post was 100% ok. BTW, that's another interesting benefit of ctf. I think that I am constantly improving English language since I had started the visits there. Regards, Uli > Kurt > >Listening to "unnormal" postings may well mean that we are just >>in the process of learning to drop one of our prejudices. And imho that's quite >>a lot - of course much more than ccc will ever be able to accomplish. >> >>Nevertheless, it is of course true that the level of insults in ctf is a bit >>high. When reading posts there, one has to filter; this helps. >> >>Uli
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