Author: Steve B
Date: 05:11:13 09/08/04
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>Well, the whole point of free speech is that people *don't* agree with what is >permissible or not. There'd certainly be no need to ensure everyone could speak >freely, if everyone already agreed with each other on everything. The fact is >that people don't, and making sure everyone has the right to their opinion is >what it is all about. no..free speech does not encompass speech calling for the death of gays or for the kiling of jews or the mass murder of an entire country you cannot even threaten the life of one single person. this is not a "difference of opinion"we are discussing here. this sort of speech is ILLEGAL in the US it is a hate crime its occurs to me just in the last few days that this misunderstanding of free speech could possibly have been the reason that the CTF has degenerated into what it has now become. Astonished Regards Steve Still, I think it is absurd to characterize the entire >forum on a few such threads. Fernando made a good point in saying that in many >ways, the members of that forum aren't merely a congregation of names having >thematic discussions. We are in many many ways a family. As you barely go there, >you cannot appreciate this, and no doubt may think this is some form of >misplaced sentimentalism. It is not. I know quite a bit about a number of the >members not because I have had a beer with them, but having discussed and >partook in discussions with so many of them. > >Even the much maligned Tim, whom I also find myself at ends many times due to >his homophobia, is really not the demon being portrayed here. I could tell you >about his oddball sense of humor, keen and knowledgeable interest in astronomy, >politics, and of course his cutting edge sense of politics and foreign policy. I >completely disagree with him on just about *all* of his political views mind >you, but he is a keen debater and not a stupid one by any means, so it can be >quite interesting. > >There's Matthew Hull with his eternal arguments with Chandler, and strong >religious beliefs. My, how those two love to go at each other. You could accuse >one or the other of stalking but that would be silly. After all no one forces >them to write 20 gazillion posts to each other trying to prove the other is >wrong. And both are might high-horsed if you get my drift. Chandler got himself >in trouble for his arguing, and is banned at the moment. He'll be back though >I'm sure. > >There's Axel with his tales of love lorn, and amazing knowledge of genetics and >biology in general. He is very fair handed and loves a good debate. he is also >very giving and doesn't hesitate to share his erudition in science. in return we >all try to help him with some lady issues, but well, how much help can a forum >be, no matter how well meaning?... :-) > >There's Jose Fernando Mendes, the fascinating linkman. He posts links all the >time, many of which are fascinating and I sure wish I knew how he finds so many >interesting one from such varied sources. > >There's Fernando, whom all know well here. The Chilean political TV/Radio talk >star, who is feeling the years from his every growing comments on his age (I >*COMPLETELY* disagree with your perspective on this BTW Fernando - Ex: my >grandmother who is 77 years-young). He is one of the most balanced thinkers I >have met, with an amazing sense of perspective and proportion. I strive to be >that way, but he just is. He is erudite, cultured, nice, and always an eye on >the ladies. > >There's also Ed (Schroeder), whom you may only know via his contributions to >computer chess, but who has posted there on a variety of topics in great detail >showing the man behind the name so to speak. Other programmers partake there >too, such as Amir Ban (of Junior fame), Ulrich Tuerke (Comet), Omid (Falcon), >Uri, Bruce (with his hilarious tales), etc. Not to mention Stephen Ham, >Thorsten, Leonid, Peter Berger, Graham Laight, Guy Marfan, and others. > >In a sense it's funny, but this place is called the Computer Chess CLUB, and it >is called the Chess Thinkers FORUM, yet *it* is much more the club than here, >and this is much more a forum. > > Albert
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