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Subject: Re: Regarding CCC/CTF relationships

Author: Jonas Bylund

Date: 06:08:45 09/08/04

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>Jonas,
>we can argue about this for ten hours, here on CCC, and yet you wouldn't send
>even $10.
>I guess your time is worth a lot less than $1.
>
>You are rationalizing your action with your disdain towards CTF. To you it
>doesn't matter what happens to CCC if at the same time the CTF is to stay alive.
>Your "love" and devotion for the CCC is less important than your feelings
>towards the CTF.
>
>This is not my opinion this is what you are saying and doing! If I'm wrong
>please elaborate.
>
>> The fact is that i don't like CTF,
>
>yes. and the following is also a fact: You wouldn't blink an eye if CCC
>disappeared, tomorrow.
>
>>this does not mean that by default it is a bad place, just my opinion...
>
>This is irrelevant with respect to the CCC.
>
>> I do
>>not have a vendetta against CTF, but whenever someone mentions this issue i
>>speak my mind, just as you are entitled to.
>
>This is self evident. I'm only suggesting that your mind is playing tricks with
>you! :-)
>
>> I am not hiding behind anything
>>here, i am just being honest about how i feel when it comes to CTF.
>
>What are your priorities?
>Which one is more important to you CCC or CTF?
>...
>and if CCC is more important to you, then why are you defining your relationship
>with the CCC through the existence of CTF?
>
>>
>>I never said CTF was despicable, i said horrible, please don't put words in my
>>mouth.
>
>Sorry. "Horrible" is the word.
>
>>
>>Just to be clear, out of principle i refuse to _pay_ to maintain CTF.
>
>Steven S. has already pointed out that CTF has been payed for and that your
>money are not going to go towards it!
>
>Regards,
>Hristo

I think that you have completely misunderstood what i am saying and i am sorry
for not being clear enough if that is the case!
_I have nothing against the existance of CTF, i just don't want to support it by
association or directly through donations._

You are right we could argue over this for a long time, but i respect that you
want to keep CTF and your attempt to make clear what is positive about CTF, i
even applaud you and everyone who agrees with you in that view. Now can you do
the same for me?

">You are rationalizing your action with your disdain towards CTF. To you it
doesn't matter what happens to CCC if at the same time the CTF is to stay alive.
Your "love" and devotion for the CCC is less important than your feelings
towards the CTF."

No my love for the CCC is nor more nor less than my discontent with CTF, it just
means that i won't pay for CTF to be maintained. When something is completely
free then people can do with it whatever they want, but when they ask me to pay
for a service i have the right to refuse if i would be paying for something that
i do not agree with, is that unreasonable??

BTW i am not rationalizing "my action", i am rationalizing, period...



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