Author: Jonas Bylund
Date: 06:45:09 09/08/04
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On September 08, 2004 at 09:27:29, Russel Smith wrote: >On September 08, 2004 at 06:00:29, David Mitchell wrote: > >>On September 08, 2004 at 05:32:31, Hristo wrote: >> >>>On September 08, 2004 at 04:15:38, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>>Dear Jonas, >>>>> >>>>>I have been avoiding to answer to your indignant remarks. Your prejudice has >>>>>transformed into a vendetta, of sorts. The problem is that you don't want to >>>>>contribute money; and that is fine, so long as you don't try to hide behind some >>>>>drummed-up demagogy. Your contributions and participation in the CCC was not >>>>>hampered by the existence of the CTF up until now. >>>>>If it was "a matter a principle", as you seem to want everyone here to believe, >>>>>you wouldn't have stayed here and read and donated your _time_ to a place (CCC), >>>>>which is associated with this despicable CTF. Yet here you are and you have been >>>>>here for a while, haven't you? >>>>> >>>>>While your dislike towards CTF may be well founded, your demands and actions, or >>>>>lack there of, are not. >>>>> >>>>>Jonas, >>>>>respectfully, please stop with the gibberish. >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Hristo >>>> >>>>You are entitled to your opinion of course, i have said on more than one >>>>occasion (before donating to CCC was even an issue) that i dislike CTF and that >>>>i don't like the association of CTF with CCC, reading and posting at CCC knowing >>>>that CTF is associated with it is annoying without having to pay, but >>>>contributing for CTF to continue (even if it was just by association) is out of >>>>the question for me and that is a question of principles wheter you like it or >>>>not. >>>> >>>>"I have been avoiding to answer to your indignant remarks. Your prejudice has >>>>transformed into a vendetta, of sorts. The problem is that you don't want to >>>>contribute money; and that is fine, so long as you don't try to hide behind some >>>>drummed-up demagogy." >>>> >>>>I have only expressed how i truly feel about this issue, you can call it >>>>whatever you like and disagree as much as you want, but please don't try and >>>>read something into it that is not there. >>> >>>Jonas, >>>we can argue about this for ten hours, here on CCC, and yet you wouldn't send >>>even $10. >>>I guess your time is worth a lot less than $1. >>> >>>You are rationalizing your action with your disdain towards CTF. To you it >>>doesn't matter what happens to CCC if at the same time the CTF is to stay alive. >>>Your "love" and devotion for the CCC is less important than your feelings >>>towards the CTF. >>> >>>This is not my opinion this is what you are saying and doing! If I'm wrong >>>please elaborate. >> >>*************** Gladly ***************** >> >>Because of the juvenile behavior of a few posters, CCC was formed. Later, CTF >>was added as an arena for non-chess discussions by the CCC'ers. >> >>But CTF has become quite the lair for the most juvenile and offensive postings. >> >>Now the time has come, and a possible change is being considered. We are >>expressing our opinion that 1) CTF is irrelevant to CCC, and 2) CTF is >>offensive, and we don't want to be in any way associated with it. >> >>And all your rationalizations about "drummed up demagogy", won't change that, >>even a little. >> >> >> >>Dave > >CTF is not really associated with CCC in my opinion, CTF was dead until Sept >11th attacks, then it stirred up a hornets nest and is still stirring. > >The two forums are clearly different, and people think CTF is CCC only because >they do not bother to read where they are going when they first join, and >usually are shown the correct door after their first post. > >CTF does not invade CCC, so I wish people would just shut up about the >connection. > >As the saying goes "If you don't like it, you can always find something else" Good point!! So i choose to go with not paying as long as CTF is sposered by the same company that offers CCC.
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