Author: Ulrich Tuerke
Date: 07:07:06 09/08/04
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On September 08, 2004 at 09:45:09, Jonas Bylund wrote: >On September 08, 2004 at 09:27:29, Russel Smith wrote: > >>On September 08, 2004 at 06:00:29, David Mitchell wrote: >> >>>On September 08, 2004 at 05:32:31, Hristo wrote: >>> >>>>On September 08, 2004 at 04:15:38, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Dear Jonas, >>>>>> >>>>>>I have been avoiding to answer to your indignant remarks. Your prejudice has >>>>>>transformed into a vendetta, of sorts. The problem is that you don't want to >>>>>>contribute money; and that is fine, so long as you don't try to hide behind some >>>>>>drummed-up demagogy. Your contributions and participation in the CCC was not >>>>>>hampered by the existence of the CTF up until now. >>>>>>If it was "a matter a principle", as you seem to want everyone here to believe, >>>>>>you wouldn't have stayed here and read and donated your _time_ to a place (CCC), >>>>>>which is associated with this despicable CTF. Yet here you are and you have been >>>>>>here for a while, haven't you? >>>>>> >>>>>>While your dislike towards CTF may be well founded, your demands and actions, or >>>>>>lack there of, are not. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jonas, >>>>>>respectfully, please stop with the gibberish. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>Hristo >>>>> >>>>>You are entitled to your opinion of course, i have said on more than one >>>>>occasion (before donating to CCC was even an issue) that i dislike CTF and that >>>>>i don't like the association of CTF with CCC, reading and posting at CCC knowing >>>>>that CTF is associated with it is annoying without having to pay, but >>>>>contributing for CTF to continue (even if it was just by association) is out of >>>>>the question for me and that is a question of principles wheter you like it or >>>>>not. >>>>> >>>>>"I have been avoiding to answer to your indignant remarks. Your prejudice has >>>>>transformed into a vendetta, of sorts. The problem is that you don't want to >>>>>contribute money; and that is fine, so long as you don't try to hide behind some >>>>>drummed-up demagogy." >>>>> >>>>>I have only expressed how i truly feel about this issue, you can call it >>>>>whatever you like and disagree as much as you want, but please don't try and >>>>>read something into it that is not there. >>>> >>>>Jonas, >>>>we can argue about this for ten hours, here on CCC, and yet you wouldn't send >>>>even $10. >>>>I guess your time is worth a lot less than $1. >>>> >>>>You are rationalizing your action with your disdain towards CTF. To you it >>>>doesn't matter what happens to CCC if at the same time the CTF is to stay alive. >>>>Your "love" and devotion for the CCC is less important than your feelings >>>>towards the CTF. >>>> >>>>This is not my opinion this is what you are saying and doing! If I'm wrong >>>>please elaborate. >>> >>>*************** Gladly ***************** >>> >>>Because of the juvenile behavior of a few posters, CCC was formed. Later, CTF >>>was added as an arena for non-chess discussions by the CCC'ers. >>> >>>But CTF has become quite the lair for the most juvenile and offensive postings. >>> >>>Now the time has come, and a possible change is being considered. We are >>>expressing our opinion that 1) CTF is irrelevant to CCC, and 2) CTF is >>>offensive, and we don't want to be in any way associated with it. >>> >>>And all your rationalizations about "drummed up demagogy", won't change that, >>>even a little. >>> >>> >>> >>>Dave >> >>CTF is not really associated with CCC in my opinion, CTF was dead until Sept >>11th attacks, then it stirred up a hornets nest and is still stirring. >> >>The two forums are clearly different, and people think CTF is CCC only because >>they do not bother to read where they are going when they first join, and >>usually are shown the correct door after their first post. >> >>CTF does not invade CCC, so I wish people would just shut up about the >>connection. >> >>As the saying goes "If you don't like it, you can always find something else" > >Good point!! >So i choose to go with not paying as long as CTF is sposered by the same company >that offers CCC. Looks like a good excuse for not paying. But I can do the same thing: I will not pay before it's sure that maintenance of ctf will be continued. Uli
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