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Subject: Re: Regarding CCC/CTF relationships

Author: Jonas Bylund

Date: 07:31:42 09/08/04

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>His principles are not at stake. Steve said that a CTF (and CCC of course)
>member already secured the financial stake of CTF, so any donation he made,
>would in fact be towards the future of CCC. He refuses to support CCC because of
>a hyperlink at the top of the page to that forum. It has been pointed out again
>and again that despite the claims that it is 'filled' with hate, discrimination,
>and racism, it isn't so. I even went so far as to compile a long list of the
>last 30 threads or so there. There were some 2-3 by the same member that might
>be classified as bigoted. The rest discussed politics, foreign affairs, health,
>and a wide range of subjects. If you wish to point out 2-3 threads by a single
>member to classify CTF as a place 'filled' with hate, discrimination and
>whatnot, be my guest.
>
>The fact is that the threads are either ignored by some or addressed by others.
>Addressed doesn't mean applauded either, so that hardly qualifies as universal
>acceptance and agreement with their content. Should they be deleted offhand?
>That indeed is a good question, and one of internal CTF moderation. It is up to
>CTF members and moderators and has been debated on more than one occasion, and
>will no doubt be so again. However, none of this serves to classify CTF as it
>has been by some of the extreme conservative members here. For every bigoted
>thread initiated by some member, I can point to 20 that aren't. Yet that bigoted
>thread is the measuring stick being used, and you can be sure I won't agree with
>that.
>
>I saw in another reply here, that one member pointed to a thread by Tim on an
>asnwer to being disturbed to the extreme at 2 AM. I have no problem with the
>post. Many people get extremely upset at this. Should it be deleted? It would
>never even cross my mind to do so, yet someone thought it should. That's what
>freedom of speech is about. It says you can speak an opinion that isn't agreed
>with by the majority. It also means that the majority will be able to voice that
>disagreement. And they most assuredly do.
>
>The diversity of views, cultures, etc. are what help make CTF the fascinating
>forum it is. It is made up for the most part by active CCC posters BTW.
>
>                                         Albert

Personally i think that it would be good if CTF continues, i just don't want to
pay for it, directly or otherwise. Friends of mine once told me: "Jonas, you are
so open minded that you need a to balance a weight on your head to keep your
brain from falling out" :)

I would fight for the right to keep CTF up and running, but i will not support
it!



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