Author: Albert Silver
Date: 07:38:02 09/08/04
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On September 08, 2004 at 10:31:42, Jonas Bylund wrote:
>>His principles are not at stake. Steve said that a CTF (and CCC of course)
>>member already secured the financial stake of CTF, so any donation he made,
>>would in fact be towards the future of CCC. He refuses to support CCC because of
>>a hyperlink at the top of the page to that forum. It has been pointed out again
>>and again that despite the claims that it is 'filled' with hate, discrimination,
>>and racism, it isn't so. I even went so far as to compile a long list of the
>>last 30 threads or so there. There were some 2-3 by the same member that might
>>be classified as bigoted. The rest discussed politics, foreign affairs, health,
>>and a wide range of subjects. If you wish to point out 2-3 threads by a single
>>member to classify CTF as a place 'filled' with hate, discrimination and
>>whatnot, be my guest.
>>
>>The fact is that the threads are either ignored by some or addressed by others.
>>Addressed doesn't mean applauded either, so that hardly qualifies as universal
>>acceptance and agreement with their content. Should they be deleted offhand?
>>That indeed is a good question, and one of internal CTF moderation. It is up to
>>CTF members and moderators and has been debated on more than one occasion, and
>>will no doubt be so again. However, none of this serves to classify CTF as it
>>has been by some of the extreme conservative members here. For every bigoted
>>thread initiated by some member, I can point to 20 that aren't. Yet that bigoted
>>thread is the measuring stick being used, and you can be sure I won't agree with
>>that.
>>
>>I saw in another reply here, that one member pointed to a thread by Tim on an
>>asnwer to being disturbed to the extreme at 2 AM. I have no problem with the
>>post. Many people get extremely upset at this. Should it be deleted? It would
>>never even cross my mind to do so, yet someone thought it should. That's what
>>freedom of speech is about. It says you can speak an opinion that isn't agreed
>>with by the majority. It also means that the majority will be able to voice that
>>disagreement. And they most assuredly do.
>>
>>The diversity of views, cultures, etc. are what help make CTF the fascinating
>>forum it is. It is made up for the most part by active CCC posters BTW.
>>
>
>Personally i think that it would be good if CTF continues, i just don't want to
>pay for it, directly or otherwise. Friends of mine once told me: "Jonas, you are
>so open minded that you need a to balance a weight on your head to keep your
>brain from falling out" :)
>
>I would fight for the right to keep CTF up and running, but i will not support
>it!
As has been said, CTF's financial survival has already been assured, so any
contribution you made would in fact be towards specifically towards CCC. If you
then claim that you won't donate to CCC because of CTF's link to CCC, your
actions are in direct contradiction of your words "I would fight for the right
to keep CTF up and running".
Albert
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