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Subject: Re: Regarding CCC/CTF relationships

Author: Gerd Isenberg

Date: 10:21:10 09/08/04

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On September 08, 2004 at 10:06:33, Anthony Cozzie wrote:

>Look, it really bothers me, but if you want to improve a program CCC is
>worthless after a rating of 2200.

hmm...

>Obviously the commercial guys have no
>interest in sharing their secrets (I don't blame them) but somehow their
>attitude has rubbed off on all the amateurs.

Tord as well as others are prime counter examples of this.
Otherwise, if you are not a scientist in game theory or open source author, it
is absolutely ok to keep your secrets. It is a competition. Of course for
professionals it is essential to keep their secrets.

>Uri is a prime example of this:
>the guy has 300+ (!!) pages of results in the CCC engine, but he has _never_
>talked at _all_ about what goes on inside of Movei.


Probably you didn't read all his posts carefully enough.
I found Uri very instructive, may be a matter of taste.
Asking questions is not only about to get something.
There are interactions.


>We don't even know
>something as basic as whether Uri uses the mate threat extension.

The same is true for me with your program.
Probably i missed or didn't read carefully all of your posts.


>I've
>basically stopped contributing anything other than periodically smacking
>Cracraft.  Bob is really the only one who actually talks about what he does,
>although some might say that open sourcing crafty has caused more problems than
>solutions, considering all the clones that we have had.

Seems if people really "improve" Crafty,
they don't like to share their ideas anymore ;-)

> I guess if I want to
>talk to good chess programmers I have to show up at a World Championship.
>

What about talking with yourself?
But yes, going to WCCC is important.

Gerd

>anthony





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