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Subject: Re: The Haves vs. the Have-Nots or How I Learned to Detest Wannabes

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 16:08:51 09/09/04

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On September 09, 2004 at 09:58:09, Stuart Cracraft wrote:

>It seems to me that the bulk of this board's contents these
>days is non-programmer, i.e. "I have this program which I didn't
>write and I am going to play it against that program which I
>didn't write so I can prove absolutely nothing but look like a
>computer chess programmer in the process, which I'm not."

I don't understand where are you coming from with this logic.  But I have seen
thie sort of frustration by programmers with non programmers before.  There are
some people that simply enjoy watching 'nachines" playing chess.  I'm one ofthem
and I have no clue why I enjoy it as much I do, but I do.


>
>Personally, I'd favor a board that is programmer's only. To get
>in, you have to have created a program *** from scratch ***
>and be willing to talk about it and help otherr programmers
>as well.

Feel free to set up your programmers board.

>
>I think there are a lot of onlookers here and while I enjoy that
>they get impressed by chess programs I don't like the fact that
>they are heightening the bandwidth requirements and will ultimately
>put it out of business.

How about the programmers heightening the bandwidth requirements?

;>)

It is, what it is.


>
>If ICD keeps anything, keep two boards: one you can keep and which
>isn't a bandwidth load: CTF, however horrid and rabid it may be at
>times, and the other, a pure programmer's board -- no wannabe's.

Why would ICD do that. I have seen some horid and rabid posts by non programmers
as well as programmers.  Your desire is short sighted.  It is the non
programmers that actually pay for chess programs - why - because they enjoy it!
Some non - programmers like to modify other people programs ->Crafty SE - where
do we fit in ?


>
>With this plan, your bandwidth requirements will drastically drop,
>you will keep both core groups happy, and you can jettison the
>wannabe's.
>
>Or conversely, do as above, but let the wannabes on in read-only
>mode -- this will also reduce bandwidth. They can read and learn
>but that's about it. If they are truly curious about computer
>chess programming, they should welcome this (but they won't.)

The board was not set up for Computer programming only - it wis set up for
EVERYONE who ejoys Chess Computers - even the dedicated models.

>
>Further, computer chess programmers on this new board would not be
>allowed to not post. After a period of inactivity or unimportant posting,
>to be determined by the moderators who are computer chess programmers,
>a warning note would be sent and the computer chess programmer's account
>deactivated, after a lengthy warning interval.

???  Ok - whatever.


>
>Many like the laissez-faire approach of this board but it is just that
>approach that has gotten it into trouble with 1) bandwidth requirements
>creeping up from wannabe's, resulting in high expense and 2) losing the focus
>on a better original goal of computer chess programmers interacting without
>the paranoia that has characterized the field, first in academia and then in
>commercialism due to research dollars and sales dollars.

The better original goal was for everyone to discuss Chess Computers - chess
programmimg is just one facet.

>
>Stuart



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