Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 22:47:33 09/09/04
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On September 10, 2004 at 01:46:16, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>On September 09, 2004 at 13:55:00, Ingo Bauer wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>
>>Can somebody confirm that DF8 is really considering 29 ... b5 or was that a game
>>against a "strange" setting? After 4min and 4 sec DF8 decided to play b5? The
>>position is allready very difficult for Black but b5 is suicidal (because of Rd6
>>which might be a nice move to find).
>>
>>[D]4r1k1/p5p1/1pR1p2r/6N1/1q6/n2Q4/2P2PPP/3R2K1 b - -
>>
>>So b5 is an "avoid move"!
>>
>>[D]4r1k1/p5p1/2R1p2r/1p4N1/1q6/n2Q4/2P2PPP/3R2K1 w - -
>>
>>And here your engine has to find Rd6.
>>
>>Think about deleting all "learn values" out of the search for b5 if you analyse
>>the second position.
>>
>>For those who are interest in the complete game here are both PGNs.
>>
>>Bye Ingo
>>
>>[Event "Wertungspartie, 100m + 30s"]
>>[Site "Maschinenraum"]
>>[Date "2004.09.09"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Shredder 8"]
>>[Black "Deep Fritz 8"]
>>[WhiteElo "2647"]
>>[BlackElo "2611"]
>>[ECO "C18"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>
>>1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3
>>Ne7 7. Qg4 O-O 8. Bd3 Nbc6 9. Nf3 f5 10. exf6 Rxf6 11. Bg5
>>Rf7 12. Bxe7 Qxe7 13. Ng5 Rf6 14. Bxh7+ Kh8 15. Bd3 Kg8
>>16. Qh3 Rh6 17. Qe3 cxd4 18. cxd4 Nxd4 19. O-O Bd7 20. Rad1
>>Bb5 21. Bxb5 Nxb5 22. Rxd5 Nxa3 23. Rc5 b6 24. Rc6 Re8
>>25. Re1 Qb4 26. Ra1 Qa5 27. Rd1 Qb4 28. Qd3 b5 29. Rd6 Qf4
>>30. Rd8 Rf8 31. Rxf8+ Qxf8 32. Qd7 Rf6 33. Nxe6 1-0
>>
>>
>>
>>[Event "Wertungspartie, 100m + 30s"]
>>[Site "Maschinenraum"]
>>[Date "2004.09.09"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Shredder 8"]
>>[Black "Deep Fritz 8"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "C18"]
>>[WhiteElo "2647"]
>>[BlackElo "2611"]
>>[Annotator ",IB"]
>>[PlyCount "65"]
>>[EventDate "2004.09.08"]
>>[TimeControl "6000+30"]
>>
>>1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 2. d4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} d5 {
>>[%emt 0:00:00]} 3. Nc3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bb4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 4. e5 {
>>[%emt 0:00:00]} c5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. a3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bxc3+ {
>>[%emt 0:00:00]} 6. bxc3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Ne7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 7. Qg4 {
>>[%emt 0:00:00]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nbc6 {
>>[%emt 0:00:00]} 9. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} f5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 10. exf6 {
>>[%emt 0:00:00]} Rxf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 11. Bg5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Rf7 {
>>[%emt 0:00:00]} 12. Bxe7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qxe7 {[%eval 11,13] [%emt 0:01:10]}
>>13. Ng5 {[%eval 77,18] [%emt 0:03:21]} Rf6 {[%eval 25,15] [%emt 0:04:55]} 14.
>>Bxh7+ {[%eval 80,19] [%emt 0:00:04]} Kh8 {[%eval 30,15] [%emt 0:03:54]} 15. Bd3
>>{[%eval 72,19] [%emt 0:01:45]} Kg8 {[%eval 34,15] [%emt 0:05:30]} 16. Qh3 {
>>[%eval 72,18] [%emt 0:00:03]} Rh6 {[%eval 43,15] [%emt 0:03:52]} 17. Qe3 {
>>[%eval 58,19] [%emt 0:01:03]} cxd4 {[%eval 40,14] [%emt 0:02:18]} 18. cxd4 {
>>[%eval 38,20] [%emt 0:03:35]} Nxd4 {[%eval 38,15] [%emt 0:05:06]} 19. O-O {
>>[%eval 46,18] [%emt 0:02:41]} Bd7 {[%eval 37,14] [%emt 0:03:35]} 20. Rad1 {
>>[%eval 25,17] [%emt 0:03:56]} Bb5 {[%eval 52,14] [%emt 0:06:49]} 21. Bxb5 {
>>[%eval 69,18] [%emt 0:04:58]} Nxb5 {[%eval 67,15] [%emt 0:00:00]} 22. Rxd5 {
>>[%eval 100,18] [%emt 0:01:14]} Nxa3 {[%eval 70,15] [%emt 0:05:26]} 23. Rc5 {
>>[%eval 76,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} b6 {[%eval 81,14] [%emt 0:03:09]} 24. Rc6 {
>>[%eval 76,19] [%emt 0:00:33]} Re8 {[%eval 106,14] [%emt 0:07:06]} 25. Re1 {
>>[%eval 153,17] [%emt 0:03:10]} Qb4 {[%eval 117,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} 26. Ra1 {
>>[%eval 163,17] [%emt 0:02:34]} Qa5 {[%eval 125,13] [%emt 0:03:31]} 27. Rd1 {
>>[%eval 165,18] [%emt 0:22:49]} Qb4 {[%eval 190,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} 28. Qd3 {
>>[%eval 223,17] [%emt 0:04:01]} b5 {[%eval 182,13] [%emt 0:04:04]} 29. Rd6 {
>>[%eval 600,15] [%emt 0:03:14]} Qf4 {[%eval 458,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} 30. Rd8 {
>>[%eval 782,18] [%emt 0:06:19]} Rf8 {[%eval 694,16] [%emt 0:00:00]} 31. Rxf8+ {
>>[%eval 782,19] [%emt 0:04:33]} Qxf8 {[%eval 722,16] [%emt 0:01:49]} 32. Qd7 {
>>[%eval 936,18] [%emt 0:03:24]} Rf6 {[%eval 719,15] [%emt 0:00:00]} 33. Nxe6
>>{Deep Fritz 8 gibt auf (Lag: Av=0.39s, max=5.8s) [%eval 936,19] [%emt
>>0:04:02]} 1-0
Hi Ingo
Do you think this is a good example? I very much doubt
because Black has anyway a completely lost game and
there is no way to save it. Below the analysis of
Ruffian 2.1.0 and Shredder 8.
Kurt
Ruffian 2.1.0 UCI1: (P4 1.8/64 MB hash, Arena 1.08)
1 00:00 2.37 g6 Sxe6
1 00:00 1.17 a5
1 00:00 0.77 Df8
1 00:00 0.74 De7
2 00:00 0.84 De7 De3
3 00:00 0.72 De7 De3 Sb5
4 00:00 4.71 De7 Txe6 Dxe6 Sxe6 Thxe6 Dxa3
4 00:00 2.17 Df8 Ta1 Th5 Txa3 Txg5 Txa7
4 00:00 1.28 a5 Dg3 De7 De5
4 00:00 1.25 Dh4 Dxa3 Dxh2+ Kf1 Dh1+ Ke2 Dxg2
5 00:00 1.12 Dh4 Sf3 Db4 Tc7 a5
6 00:00 1.58 Dh4 Sf3 Db4 Tc7 Sb5 Td7
7 00:00 1.57 Dh4 Sf3 Da4 Dd7 Tf8 Sd4 e5
8 00:00 1.84 Dh4 Sf3 Da4 Tc7 a5 Dc3 Tf6 Tdd7
9 00:02 2.03 Dh4 Sf3 Da4 Tc7 a6 Dc3 Tf6 Tdd7 Th6
10+ 00:06 2.38 Dh4
10 00:07 4.06 Dh4 Sf3 Da4 Tc7 a5 Ta1 Db4 Txa3 Db1+ Df1 Dxf1+ Kxf1 Td8
10 00:08 3.65 De7 Txe6 Dxe6 Sxe6 Thxe6 Kf1 Sxc2 Dxc2 a5 Dc4 Kh7
10 00:10 3.02 Df8 Tc3 Th5 h4 Sxc2 Txc2 Txh4 Te1 Df6 Dd7 Td8 Dxe6+ Dxe6 Sxe6
10 00:12 2.79 a5 Dd7 Df8 Tc3 Te7 Da4 b5 Dxa5 Th5 Tf3
10 00:17 2.36 Sb5 g3 Sa3 Dd7 Df8 Dxa7 Tg6 f4 b5 Dd7
10 00:21 2.30 b5 Ta6 De7 Txa3 Dxg5 Txa7 De5 h3 Tc8 Tda1
11 00:32 2.26 b5 Dd7 Df8 Td3 Tf6 Dxa7 Ta8 Dd7 Sc4 Sxe6 Ta1+ Td1 Txd1+ Dxd1
De7
11 00:43 2.17 Df8 Tc3 Th5 f4 Dxf4 Sh3 Txh3 Dxh3 Sc4 Tf3 De4 Dh5
12 01:20 2.04 Df8 h3 Df5 Txe6 Tf8 Dxa3 Txe6 Sxe6 Dxe6 Dxa7 De2 Da2+ Kh7 Tf1
13+ 02:03 2.39 Df8
13 02:13 2.70 Df8 Tc3 Th5 h4 Txh4 g3 Th5 f4 a5 Txa3 Dc5+ De3 Txg5 fxg5 Dxc2
13 03:58 2.26 b5 g3 Sc4 De4 De7 Txe6 Dxe6 Sxe6 Thxe6 Dd5 a6 Te1 Se5
14+ 05:49 2.61 b5
14 06:52 2.61 b5 g3 Sc4 De4 De7 Txe6 Dxe6 Sxe6 Thxe6 Dd5 a5 Te1 Sb6 Dxe6+
Txe6 Txe6
Shredder 8 UCI1: (P4 1.8/64 MB hash, Arena 1.08)
1 00:00 2.01 Df4 Dxa3 Dxg5 Dxa7
1- 00:00 1.86 Kh8 Txe6 Texe6 Sxe6
1 00:00 1.50 Kh8 Txe6 Texe6 Sxe6 Txe6
2+ 00:00 1.78 Kh8 Tc7
2+ 00:00 2.32 Kh8 Sf7+ Kg8 Sxh6+ gxh6
2 00:00 4.15 Kh8 Sf7+ Kg8 Sxh6+ gxh6
2- 00:00 4.14 Df4 Dh7+ Txh7
2- 00:00 3.79 Df4 Dh7+ Txh7
2 00:00 2.01 Df4 Dxa3 Dxg5 Dxa7
2- 00:00 2.00 a5 Dh7+ Txh7
2 00:00 1.99 a5 Dd7
3- 00:00 1.74 a5 Db3 Dxb3
3 00:00 1.61 a5 c4 b5 cxb5 Sxb5
3- 00:00 1.60 Dg4 Dg6 Txg6
3 00:00 1.47 Dg4 Dd7 Te7
4+ 00:00 1.72 Dg4 Dd7 Dxg2+ Kxg2 Txh2+ Kxh2
4 00:00 1.93 Dg4 Dd7 Tf8 Sxe6
4 00:00 1.92 a5 c4 b5 Dd7
4- 00:00 1.91 Df4 Sxe6 Texe6 Dh7+ Kxh7
4 00:00 1.70 Df4 Dxa3 Dxh2+ Kf1 Dh1+ Ke2 Dxg2
5 00:00 1.51 Df4 Dxa3 Dxg5 Dxa7 Df4
6+ 00:00 1.76 Df4 Sf3 Sc4 Txc4 Kh8 Txf4
6 00:00 1.89 Df4 Sf3 Da4 Tc7 Kh8 Dc3
7 00:00 1.82 Df4 Sf3 Da4 Tc7 Kh8 Ta1 Df4 Txa7
7- 00:00 1.81 a5 c4 Db2 Dd8 Tf8 Df6 Tfxf6 Td8+ Tf8
7 00:00 1.53 a5 Dd7 Df8 Txb6 Sxc2 Sxe6 Df7
8 00:00 1.63 a5 Dd7 Df8 c4 Tg6 Txe6 Tgxe6 Sxe6
9 00:01 1.59 a5 Dd7 Df8 c4 Tf6 Txe6 Tfxe6 Sxe6 De7
10+ 00:02 1.84 a5 c4 Db2 Tc8 Txc8 Dd8+ Txd8 Txd8+
10 00:03 2.33 a5 c4 a4 Tc7 Sxc4 Txc4 Da5 Dd7
10- 00:03 2.32 Sb5 Dd7 Df8 Txe6 Thxe6 Sxe6 Df7 Dxb5 Txe6 De8+ Dxe8
10- 00:04 1.97 Sb5 Dd7 Df8 Txe6 Thxe6 Sxe6 Df7 Td3 Dxe6 Dxg7+ Kxg7
10 00:04 1.97 Sb5 c4 Sc3 Te1 Kh8 Sf7+ Kg8 Sxh6+ gxh6 Tcxe6 De7 Txe7
11 00:09 2.20 Sb5 h3 Tf8 Txe6 Th4 Dd7 Thf4 Te7 T4f7 Sxf7 De1+ Tdxe1
11- 00:10 2.19 a5 c4
11 00:10 2.19 a5 c4 Sxc4 Txc4 Tf8 Txb4 Txf2 Kxf2
12 00:18 1.96 a5 c4 Df8 Sh3 Th4 Ta1 Td8 Txa3 Txd3 Txa5 bxa5
12- 00:26 1.95 Df8 Td6 Df4 Dxa3 Dxg5 Dxa7 Tc8 T1d2 Df4 Td8+ Txd8 Dxg7+ Kxg7
12 00:33 1.95 Df8 h3 Df4 Sf3 Da4 Tc7 Th7 Se5 Dxc2 Txc2
13 00:42 2.18 Df8 h3 b5 Tc7 Te7 Txe7 Kh8 Dxa3 Dxf2+ Kxf2 Tf6+
14 01:13 2.30 Df8 h3 a6 Dxa6 Tg6 h4 b5 Td7 Db4 Tc8 Tf8 Txf8+ Dxf8 c3 b4
15+ 02:08 2.55 Df8 Tc7 a5 Tf7 Dc5 Dd7 Tc8 Sxe6 Dxf2+ Kxf2 Tf6+ Txf6 Sxc2
15+ 02:17 3.05 Df8 Tc7 a5 Tf7 Dc5 Dd7 Tc8 Sxe6 Dxf2+ Kxf2 Tf6+ Txf6 Sxc2
Dxc8+
15 04:46 3.25 Df8 Tc7 Df4 Dd7 Dxh2+ Kf1 Dh1+ Ke2 Dh5+ f3 Dxg5 Dxe8+ Kh7
Txg7+ Dxg7 Td7 Tg6 Txg7+ Txg7 Da4 Sb1 Da1 Txg2+ Ke3 Tg1 Dxa7+ Kg6 Dxb6
15- 05:35 3.24 Sb5 h3 Tf8 Sxe6 Sc3 Sxf8 Txc6 Dh7+ Kxf8 Dh8+ Ke7 Dxg7+ Ke8
Dg8+ Ke7
15- 05:59 2.89 Sb5 h3 a6 Dd7 Df8 Txb6 Te7 Sf7 Txd7 Txd7 Dxf7 Txe6
15 06:30 2.06 Sb5 h3 a6 Dd7 Df8 Txb6 Sc3 Td2 a5 Ta6 a4 Dd3 Df6
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