Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:15:11 09/15/04
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On September 15, 2004 at 10:32:53, martin fierz wrote: >On September 15, 2004 at 09:53:53, Stuart Cracraft wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>Anyone know of some code somewhere that implements >>at least part (or all) of the originally described >>singular extension and/or any modifications to it that >>have proven worthwhile (if any)? >> >>I am curious what mediocre (or better) results people >>have gotten with singular extension. Originally Anantharaman >>hypothesized that it wouldn't be good at the slower >>speeds of most programs at the time and would require >>fast speeds to show effect. Has this proven true or >>false in the intervening 15 years? >> >>Is singular extension now generally discredited as a >>non-reproducible singularity in and of itself? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Stuart > >AFAIK, SE is 'interesting' in the sense that it does enable programs to solve >certain positions faster, but of course you pay a price. and again AFAIK, nobody >is really using it these days, because the price seems too high to pay. i.e. in >games it's no improvement. > >just because the deep blue team used SE doesn't mean it's any good. remember, >they also decided not to use null-move, which was an established concept by >then. > >cheers > martin As far as I know Deep Sjeng is using singular extensions and the same for Ferret but not in the same way as deeper blue. I did not try singular extensions. I think that most programmers did not try singular extensions so they cannot claim that in games there is no improvement. I do not blame them and of course if you do not expect singular extensions to help then it is a reason not to try them and to try different stuff. I do not expect singular extensions to help if they are used in the same way that was used by deeper blue and it is a good reason not to try it. It does not mean that they cannot help if you have better conditions when to use them but I think that at the level of weak programs it is a bad idea to try singular extensions and it is better to try pruning ideas. I think that the main problem of chess programs is that they search too many illogical lines. Uri
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