Author: Vincent Lejeune
Date: 10:29:11 09/18/04
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On September 18, 2004 at 12:45:47, Ingo Bauer wrote: >On September 18, 2004 at 10:27:21, Vincent Lejeune wrote: > >>I suspect this is a bug from a penalty due to "trojan horse" concept : h file >>get open with rook and queen on this file ... >> >>Anyone can confirm ? Stefan Meyer-Kahlen ? :> > >Hello > >If you are right (and I suspect you are) then these trojan horse effect can't be >considered a bug because it is happening on purpose, right!? Here i'd call it "a deficiency". I don't like such a behaviour, extension to see threat is way more accurate than simply give -2 when "taking a piece when opening h(a)file and there is queen and rook behind" Crafty suffer from this deficiency too. No problem for Hiarcs 9 and deepfritz 8. > >>>This -3.56 is totally unrealistic, even Shredder is unable to find a score lower >>>than -1.00 in folling moves !!! > >What I can not confirm is that Shredder is not going below the -1 in the >following moves. Just play the 17. fxg4 and S8th eval goes like this: > >[D]2k4r/1pp2pp1/pbp5/7p/1P2P1Pq/7P/P1PQ1P2/1RB1R1K1 b - - > >Engine: Shredder 8 (256 MB) >by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen > >11/28 0:01 +0.45 17...hxg4 18.Re3 gxh3 19.Kh2 Bxe3 > 20.Qxe3 Qg4 21.Qg3 Qxe4 22.Bb2 Qxc2 > 23.Bxg7 Rg8 24.Qxh3+ f5 (575.746) 442 > >12/32 0:02 +0.70++ 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 Qh5+ > 23.Kf4 Rh6 24.Qf2 (1.158.795) 446 > >12/32 0:02 +0.76 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 Qh5+ > 23.Kf2 Qd1 24.Qd3 Rh2+ 25.Ke3 Qg1+ > 26.Kf4 Qf2+ 27.Qf3 Qxc2 28.Qg4+ Kb8 > 29.Bd2 (1.315.320) 445 > >13/36 0:04 +0.51-- 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 Qh5+ > 23.Kf4 Rh6 24.Bb2 Rf6+ 25.Bxf6 Qf3+ > 26.Kxf3 (1.863.743) 447 > >13/36 0:05 +0.51 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 Qh5+ > 23.Kf4 f5 24.Qc5 Qg4+ 25.Ke5 Qxg3+ > 26.Bf4 Re8+ 27.Kd4 Qxf4 28.Qxf5+ Qxf5 (2.250.023) 445 > >14/39 0:08 +0.76++ 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 Qh5+ > 23.Kf4 f5 24.Qc5 Qg4+ 25.Ke5 Qxg3+ > 26.Kxf5 Qh3+ 27.Kf4 Qf1+ 28.Kg5 Qf6+ > 29.Kg4 (3.930.229) 451 > >14/43 0:11 +0.76 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 Qh5+ > 23.Kf2 Qd1 24.Qd3 Rh2+ 25.Ke3 Qg1+ > 26.Kf4 Qf2+ 27.Kg4 g6 28.c3 Qxg3+ > 29.Qxg3 (5.265.622) 445 > >15/45 0:21 +0.51-- 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 Qh5+ > 23.Kf2 Qd1 24.Qd3 Rh2+ 25.Ke3 Qg1+ > 26.Kf4 Qf2+ 27.Kg4 g6 28.c3 Qxg3+ > 29.Qxg3 Rh4+ 30.Kxh4 (9.098.540) 433 > >15/45 0:28 +0.32 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 Qh5+ > 23.Kf2 Qd1 24.Qd3 Rh2+ 25.Ke3 Qg1+ > 26.Kf4 Qf2+ 27.Kg4 g6 28.Qf3 Qd4 (12.525.363) 442 > >16/47 0:56 +0.35 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 f5 > 23.Bb2 Qxc2 24.Bxg7 Rh2 25.Re1 Qxe4+ > 26.Qxe4 Kb8 27.Qxf5 Rf2+ 28.Kxf2 (24.864.984) 440 > >17/41 1:13 +0.60++ 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 f5 > 23.Bb2 Qxc2 24.Bxg7 Re8 25.Re1 fxe4+ > 26.Kf4 Qxa2 27.Qxe4 Rxe4+ 28.Kxe4 (32.837.415) 444 > >17/48 1:30 +0.60 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Kf2 Qh2+ 22.Kf3 f5 > 23.Bb2 Qxc2 24.Bxg7 Re8 25.Rb2 fxe4+ > 26.Kf4 Qd1 27.a4 Qd6+ 28.Kg5 Qg6+ > 29.Kxg6 (40.400.560) 446 > >18/51 2:53 +0.35-- 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Qf3 Qh2+ 22.Kf1 Qxc2 > 23.Ra1 Kb8 24.Bf4 Rh2 25.Rd1 Qc4+ > 26.Kg1 Qc1 27.Bxc1 Rxa2 28.Qxf7 Rg2+ (78.750.348) 453 > >18/51 3:49 +0.13 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Bxe3+ > 20.Qxe3 Qxh3 21.Qf3 Qh2+ 22.Kf1 Qxc2 > 23.Ra1 Qc4+ 24.Kg2 Qxb4 25.Qe2 Qd4 > 26.Bb2 Qd7 27.Bxg7 Qh3+ 28.Kf2 Qh2+ > 29.Kf3 Qh5+ 30.Ke3 Qg5+ (104.584.578) 454 > >19/51 6:09 +0.27 17...hxg4 18.Re3 g3 19.fxg3 Qxg3+ > 20.Kf1 Bxe3 21.Qxe3 Qh2 22.Rb3 Rh6 > 23.Qg5 Rg6 24.Qf5+ Kb8 25.Bg5 Qxc2 > 26.Rf3 Qxa2 27.Qc5 Rd6 28.Bf4 Rd1+ (166.829.351) 451 > >best move: h5xg4 time: 6:12.265 min n/s: 450.963 CPU 98.0% n/s(1CPU): >460.166 nodes: 167.864.231 > >I stopped here because this is allready 3 times longer than you original time >control. > >Bye >Ingo > >>>[Event "Blitz:2'"] >>>[Site "MyTown"] >>>[Date "2004.09.17"] >>>[Round "?"] >>>[White "Pierre"] >>>[Black "Vin"] >>>[Result "*"] >>>[PlyCount "41"] >>> >>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. O-O Bg4 6. d3 h5 7. Nbd2 Qf6 8. >>>Re1 Bc5 9. Rb1 Ne7 10. b4 Bb6 11. h3 Ng6 12. d4 O-O-O 13. dxe5 Nxe5 14. Qe2 >>>Rxd2 15. Qxd2 Nxf3+ 16. gxf3 Qh4 17. fxg4 hxg4 18. Re3 g3 19. fxg3 Bxe3+ 20. >>>Qxe3 Qxh3 21. Kf2 *
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