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Subject: Re: The Brick Wall

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:44:13 09/19/04

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On September 19, 2004 at 14:03:52, martin fierz wrote:

>[snip]
>
>hi stuart,
>
>you seem to be very active programming your engine if the number of posts here
>at CCC is any indication. i guess you have put in all the basic stuff in your
>engine, and now it's playing some decent chess but is getting bashed on by the
>stronger engines, and you're not happy.
>
>i made a similar experience. after years of checkers programming, i started
>writing a chess program, which played it's first game about one month after i
>started on it, and improved in leaps and bounds for a couple of months, which
>was no big surprise to me since i'm rather familar with most of the techniques
>for chess programming from my checkers program.
>after half a year progress got slower, and after 9 months i couldn't detect any
>progress any more. i let it lie around for half a year now, and will try to find
>areas of improvement. but i think that from now on, progress is not so simple
>any more.

I think that progress is still simple and it is possible to improve your program
by 50 elo only by changing less than 20 lines in the code(the problem is only to
think about the right ideas).

> i will have to take a good look at my evaluation for instance,

Yes
I believe that it is possible to improve the program significantly by improving
the evaluation.


 and at
>the various extensions, and do a lot of testing. i don't believe there is any
>magic bullet that will do the trick.

I believe that there are a lot of magic tricks and the problem is to find them.
I hope that after almost 3 months with no significant improvement I found today
one magic trick in the evaluation to get a significant improvement by adding
only few lines of code(no promise).

First tests are promising but of course even if there is improvement of 50 elo
then testing of more than few hours is still needed to verify it.

I look for ideas that will improve my program significantly without a lot of
changes in the code and I believe that there are a lot of ideas to do it that I
still did not find.

Uri



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