Author: Stuart Cracraft
Date: 11:58:56 09/19/04
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On September 19, 2004 at 14:25:43, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >On September 19, 2004 at 12:54:57, Andrew Williams wrote: > >>On September 19, 2004 at 11:10:14, Stuart Cracraft wrote: >> >>>Hi -- I am looking for 2 or 3 beta testers who would receive >>>(full) source code to my program and in return would provide >>>input and comments about improving the search. They would >>>simply agree not to redistribute it and in fact discard it after >>>a week or two of looking at it (and commenting.) The program is in C, >>>5000 lines. The search and quiescence routines are 600 lines total. >>> >>>The reason I am considering this is due to hitting a brick wall at 249/300 >>>on WAC for several weeks now and knowing there are things I just cannot >>>find or go further with. The above score is at 1 second per position on a >>>1ghz P3 with a small transposition table. I am told that 270-300 is considered >>>"good" for this time control on this test. On this same machine >>>at the same time setting, with WAC, Crafty gets 270/300. >>> >> >>It strikes me that comparing your program with crafty (or any other program for >>that matter) based on 1 second searches in WAC is a bit weird. And a waste of >>time. I'm pretty sure, for example, that my program would do worse at WAC 1 >>second searches than yours on that hardware and I certainly don't care either >>way. >> >>Solving WAC positions is a *side-effect* of being a good program, in my opinion. >>I would strongly encourage you to play some games. Is your program WinBoard >>compatible? If so, send it to Leo Dijksman, Guenther Simon and lots of the other >>good testers who hang out at Winboard Forum. > >That would be asking the same people he insulted a few weeks ago calling them >Have Nots and that they should be excluded from the CCC as they did not program >chess engines. This is nothing more then a lackadaisical attempt to get someone >to fix his code from him. As far as I'm concerned the Brick Wall can fall on him >and his holier than tho attitude. Mr. Hofmann - I considered titling that original post that so offended you "A Modest Proposal" but doubt you would know the origin to which it referred and the sarcasm for which I hold the original author, Mr. Swift, in the highest esteem. It is -->YOU<-- who have the attitude problem. Sarcasm is meant to get you off your butt and force you to stop thinking that others have to foot someone else's financial bill. That is wholly different from inviting people to inspect code, which is a puzzle and to some people who are not as "lead-footed" as you, can be a rather entertaining pasttime. Not many people except philanthropists think that giving money away is pleasant and I doubt they do either. We have been informed that this forum is perilously close to being shut down due to being an unnecessary expense to its sponsor. While many people have suggestions, strong medicine is needed to keep it going. I fully expect the sponsor to carry out their intention. I will donate money when I know this forum will be around longer than 5 more months. I was entrusted as were others with the information long in advance of its announcement -- as such I had to sit there and think about one of the most valuable resources disintegrating before my very eyes. What do you think motivated my posts? Just my code? Surely you jest. I don't f*cking care who was insulted or not -- this community generates too much traffic. Hard choices will be made or it dies -- those who have programmed will continue to program and congregate. I only hope that either this community subdivides if its life is prolonged past February or that the new location will confine posts to the kinds of things that this particular post clearly is not. And for your latest wish of the brick wall falling, well, the program just made it through another goal post -- 250 out of 300. Read it and weep. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Thanks to those programmers who have given selflessly of their time !! !! and advice to help in rapid progress in a program that has absolutely no!! !! "holier-than-thou" purpose. !! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yours in computer chess >>>programming<<<, Stuart Cracraft
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