Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 03:12:11 10/05/04
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On October 04, 2004 at 20:52:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >On October 04, 2004 at 14:56:02, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On October 04, 2004 at 14:01:56, Daniel Jackson wrote: >> >>>On October 04, 2004 at 13:52:56, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>> >>>>On October 04, 2004 at 09:22:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 08:54:20, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 01:12:58, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>CM10 Default on a slow PIII 500 can't hold Black's position, even before Kramnik >>>>>>>made errors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't trust CM10 to handle this endgame, still it does show that 15..a6 >>>>>>>followed by 16.Bxa6 is better for White and is difficult to defend. >>>>>>>BTW CM10 couldn't find 16.Bxa6, I had to manually input the moves, then set it >>>>>>>to autoplay. If there is a draw, I'll have to start at 24.gxf3 or even earlier. >>>>>>>This exchange to the endgame isn't particularly good. It may be down right >>>>>>>terrible!? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Kramnik imho played a bad line regardless of its draw record, and if programs >>>>>>>can't see 16.Bxa6! is good then they can't "understand" the nuances of the far >>>>>>>reaching consequences that arise after 16.Bxa6! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>40/2 Tournament Time Controls >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>[Date "2004.10.3"] >>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster"] >>>>>>>[Black "Chessmaster"] >>>>>>>[TimeControl "40/7200"] >>>>>>>[Result "*"] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.cxd5 >>>>>>>Nxd5 9.Nxd5 exd5 10.a3 Nc6 11.Bd3 Bb6 12.O-O Bg4 13.h3 Bh5 14.b4 Re8 >>>>>>>15.Rc1 a6 16.Bxa6 Rxa6 17.b5 Rxa3 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Rxc6 Ra7 20.Rd6 Rd7 >>>>>>>21.Qxd5 Rxd6 22.Qxd6 Qxd6 23.Bxd6 Bxf3 24.gxf3 Bd8 25.Rb1 Bf6 26.Kg2 g6 >>>>>>>27.f4 Kg7 28.Rb7 Re6 29.Rd7 Re8 30.Ra7 Re6 31.Bc5 Rc6 32.Ra5 Bc3 33.Rb5 >>>>>>>Ra6 34.Rb3 Bf6 35.Rb8 h5 36.Rb5 Bc3 37.Rb3 Bf6 38.e4 Ra5 39.Be3 Ra4 >>>>>>>40.e5 Be7 41.Rb7 Kf8 42.Rb8+ Kg7 43.Kf3 Rc4 44.Ke2 Ra4 45.Kd3 Ra3+ >>>>>>>46.Kc4 Ra4+ 47.Kd5 Ra5+ 48.Kc6 Ra6+ 49.Rb6 Ra8 50.Rb7 Kf8 51.Ba7 Rc8+ >>>>>>>52.Kd5 Rc3 53.Rb8+ Kg7 54.Be3 Ra3 55.Rb7 Ra5+ 56.Kc4 Kf8 57.Rb8+ Kg7 >>>>>>>58.Bd4 Ra4+ 59.Kd5 Bh4 60.Rc8 Kh7 61.f3 Rb4 62.Rc6 Ra4 63.Rc7 Kg8 >>>>>>>64.Rc8+ Kh7 65.Rc4 Rxc4 66.Kxc4 Kg7 67.Kd5 Kf8 68.Ke4 Ke7 69.f5 gxf5+ >>>>>>>70.Kxf5 Kd7 71.f4 Be7 72.Ke4 Kc6 73.f5 Bh4 74.f6 Kd7 75.Kf5 Kd8 76.e6 >>>>>>>Ke8 77.Bc5 Bg3 78.Kg5 Be5 79.h4 Bb2 80.Be7 Bc1+ 81.Kxh5 Be3 82.Bd6 * >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I resigned the game for Chessmaster as Black is hopelessly lost. >>>>>>The programs dont play Bxa6 for good reasons ; analyze the game with any program >>>>>>and you willsee that 20...Ra7 was the error ; if he plays 20...Re6 instead White >>>>>>has nothing ;for example Fritz 6 considers 20...Ra7? an error.Also from your >>>>>>previous post I gather that you may have the time controls wrong. The second >>>>>>time control is 20 moves in 1 hour and the third time control is game in 15 >>>>>>minutes with 30 second increments. >>>>> >>>>>20..Ra7 wasn't the best no, 20..Re6 is better but leaves White slightly better. >>>> >>>>This is ridiculous. >>>>Anand and Kramnik played 20...Ra7 in this position although they _of course_ >>>>knew about the possibility 20...Re6 (It was played before). >>>>They obviously thought it isn´t better at all after home analysis. >>>>You tell us they were wrong without any supporting analysis? >>> >>> >You are the one who said this is ridiculous. Confused? It is me who should be >asking who you are! ??? >Well he lost didn't he? The line sucks! I don't need to rip it apart to >realize this. >Who are you to say this is ridiculous! These are your own words. Nonsense of course since it was a mainline in the Qeens Gambit declined. Kasparov,Kramnik,Anand and Short played the line 15...a6 already. White threatens g4,Bxg6,b5 with very uncomfortable position for black. >> >>I am someone who tries to get some information before criticising top players. >>They usually know why they play certain opening moves. > >All I'm saying is they make mistakes...if one move is out of place, then poof!; >There goes your analysis! > >That aside, I've great admiration as chess players, for both Kramnik and Anand. >> >>I referred to "20..Re6 is better but leaves White slightly better". >>19...Re6 20.Qc1 or 19...Re6 20.Rxe6 fxe6 21.Qc1 and now what? >>Who are you to decide what move is actually better in this position? >>Some GMs even annotated games with 19...Ra7! (19...Re6?). >> >>> >>>Check yourself or use a computer or both....the line stinks! >>> >>>As for supporting analysis, Leko gave plenty! >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Forget the T/C, I wasn't trying to reproduce them...my point is the line Kramnik >>>>>chose wasn't the best, and it gives White an early shot to seize the intiative. >>>>> >>>>>AFAIAC the T/C should be exactly as they were in the 80's, but that is another >>>>>story.
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