Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 06:12:13 10/05/04
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On October 05, 2004 at 07:54:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >On October 05, 2004 at 06:12:11, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On October 04, 2004 at 20:52:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >> >>>On October 04, 2004 at 14:56:02, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>> >>>>On October 04, 2004 at 14:01:56, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 13:52:56, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 09:22:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 08:54:20, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 01:12:58, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>CM10 Default on a slow PIII 500 can't hold Black's position, even before Kramnik >>>>>>>>>made errors. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't trust CM10 to handle this endgame, still it does show that 15..a6 >>>>>>>>>followed by 16.Bxa6 is better for White and is difficult to defend. >>>>>>>>>BTW CM10 couldn't find 16.Bxa6, I had to manually input the moves, then set it >>>>>>>>>to autoplay. If there is a draw, I'll have to start at 24.gxf3 or even earlier. >>>>>>>>>This exchange to the endgame isn't particularly good. It may be down right >>>>>>>>>terrible!? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Kramnik imho played a bad line regardless of its draw record, and if programs >>>>>>>>>can't see 16.Bxa6! is good then they can't "understand" the nuances of the far >>>>>>>>>reaching consequences that arise after 16.Bxa6! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>40/2 Tournament Time Controls >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.10.3"] >>>>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster"] >>>>>>>>>[Black "Chessmaster"] >>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "40/7200"] >>>>>>>>>[Result "*"] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.cxd5 >>>>>>>>>Nxd5 9.Nxd5 exd5 10.a3 Nc6 11.Bd3 Bb6 12.O-O Bg4 13.h3 Bh5 14.b4 Re8 >>>>>>>>>15.Rc1 a6 16.Bxa6 Rxa6 17.b5 Rxa3 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Rxc6 Ra7 20.Rd6 Rd7 >>>>>>>>>21.Qxd5 Rxd6 22.Qxd6 Qxd6 23.Bxd6 Bxf3 24.gxf3 Bd8 25.Rb1 Bf6 26.Kg2 g6 >>>>>>>>>27.f4 Kg7 28.Rb7 Re6 29.Rd7 Re8 30.Ra7 Re6 31.Bc5 Rc6 32.Ra5 Bc3 33.Rb5 >>>>>>>>>Ra6 34.Rb3 Bf6 35.Rb8 h5 36.Rb5 Bc3 37.Rb3 Bf6 38.e4 Ra5 39.Be3 Ra4 >>>>>>>>>40.e5 Be7 41.Rb7 Kf8 42.Rb8+ Kg7 43.Kf3 Rc4 44.Ke2 Ra4 45.Kd3 Ra3+ >>>>>>>>>46.Kc4 Ra4+ 47.Kd5 Ra5+ 48.Kc6 Ra6+ 49.Rb6 Ra8 50.Rb7 Kf8 51.Ba7 Rc8+ >>>>>>>>>52.Kd5 Rc3 53.Rb8+ Kg7 54.Be3 Ra3 55.Rb7 Ra5+ 56.Kc4 Kf8 57.Rb8+ Kg7 >>>>>>>>>58.Bd4 Ra4+ 59.Kd5 Bh4 60.Rc8 Kh7 61.f3 Rb4 62.Rc6 Ra4 63.Rc7 Kg8 >>>>>>>>>64.Rc8+ Kh7 65.Rc4 Rxc4 66.Kxc4 Kg7 67.Kd5 Kf8 68.Ke4 Ke7 69.f5 gxf5+ >>>>>>>>>70.Kxf5 Kd7 71.f4 Be7 72.Ke4 Kc6 73.f5 Bh4 74.f6 Kd7 75.Kf5 Kd8 76.e6 >>>>>>>>>Ke8 77.Bc5 Bg3 78.Kg5 Be5 79.h4 Bb2 80.Be7 Bc1+ 81.Kxh5 Be3 82.Bd6 * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I resigned the game for Chessmaster as Black is hopelessly lost. >>>>>>>>The programs dont play Bxa6 for good reasons ; analyze the game with any program >>>>>>>>and you willsee that 20...Ra7 was the error ; if he plays 20...Re6 instead White >>>>>>>>has nothing ;for example Fritz 6 considers 20...Ra7? an error.Also from your >>>>>>>>previous post I gather that you may have the time controls wrong. The second >>>>>>>>time control is 20 moves in 1 hour and the third time control is game in 15 >>>>>>>>minutes with 30 second increments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>20..Ra7 wasn't the best no, 20..Re6 is better but leaves White slightly better. >>>>>> >>>>>>This is ridiculous. >>>>>>Anand and Kramnik played 20...Ra7 in this position although they _of course_ >>>>>>knew about the possibility 20...Re6 (It was played before). >>>>>>They obviously thought it isn´t better at all after home analysis. >>>>>>You tell us they were wrong without any supporting analysis? >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>You are the one who said this is ridiculous. Confused? It is me who should be >>>asking who you are! >> >>??? >> >>>Well he lost didn't he? The line sucks! I don't need to rip it apart to >realize this. >>>Who are you to say this is ridiculous! >> >> >>These are your own words. >>Nonsense of course since it was a mainline in the Qeens Gambit declined. >>Kasparov,Kramnik,Anand and Short played the line 15...a6 already. >>White threatens g4,Bxg6,b5 with very uncomfortable position for black. > >Nonsense now? Since when are you a Grandmaster? > >The line is inferior, I stand by that, and no idiot is going to tell me what is >ridiculous and what is best play! I guess most people here know who is really the idiot. You are either the board troll who changed handles constantly in the past simply because he is too chicken-hearted to post under his real name or you have a USCF rating <=1629. In the latter case your judgement of opening choices by SuperGMs is pretty much ridiculous. > >There are many lines with 20..Re6 which are drawish. At best you end up in the same endgame 3 vs 4 pawns, Rooks, Bishops. > >21.Qc1 is the main move after that and it favours White less then the 20.Ra7 >line....I don't believe that 15..a6(?) is good and that is where the trouble >begins. I doubt you'll see Kramnik play it again! > >Why do assume something is good when the top three have played it? Don't you >know that these guys often prepare lines on less then best moves or slightly >inferior lines on purpose as they are stronger than their opposition? No way, QGD is a solid defence against 1.d4. > >That is there key to success over the other GM's...knowing how to handle >imbalanced positions better than the rest. > >But it doesn't always work...and Leko said, "Show Me the Money!" and Kramnik was >bankrupt! He wasn´t bankrupt. He just had a bad day, therefore he didn´t manage to draw a drawish endgame. > >I felt Kramnik would win this match, and he still may....but Leko is looking >good and has nearly equal chances. > > > > >> >> >>>> >>>>I am someone who tries to get some information before criticising top players. >>>>They usually know why they play certain opening moves. >>> >>>All I'm saying is they make mistakes...if one move is out of place, then poof!; >>>There goes your analysis! >>> >>>That aside, I've great admiration as chess players, for both Kramnik and Anand. >>>> >>>>I referred to "20..Re6 is better but leaves White slightly better". >>>>19...Re6 20.Qc1 or 19...Re6 20.Rxe6 fxe6 21.Qc1 and now what? >>>>Who are you to decide what move is actually better in this position? >>>>Some GMs even annotated games with 19...Ra7! (19...Re6?). >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Check yourself or use a computer or both....the line stinks! >>>>> >>>>>As for supporting analysis, Leko gave plenty! >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Forget the T/C, I wasn't trying to reproduce them...my point is the line Kramnik >>>>>>>chose wasn't the best, and it gives White an early shot to seize the intiative. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>AFAIAC the T/C should be exactly as they were in the 80's, but that is another >>>>>>>story.
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