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Subject: Re: Shredder 8 and Deep Fritz 8 analysis

Author: Gordon Rattray

Date: 03:04:29 10/06/04

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On October 06, 2004 at 04:04:40, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 06, 2004 at 03:38:08, martin fierz wrote:
>
>>On October 05, 2004 at 23:42:12, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On October 05, 2004 at 19:59:48, Gordon Rattray wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've noticed that Shredder 8 and Deep Fritz 8 don't stick with e5, and switch to
>>>>Nf5.  The last iteration of each search was allowed to complete in case e5 was
>>>>chosen again.
>>>>
>>>>cheers
>>>>
>>>>Gordon
>>>>
>>>>---------------------
>>>>
>>>>Hardware:  Dual Opteron 248, 1 GB for hash
>>>>
>>>>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>>>>
>>>>1.Bxb4 Rxb4 2.Rf4
>>>>  -+  (-1.77)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:01
>>>>1.Bxb4 Rb6 2.Nc2 Qb2 3.Bc3
>>>>  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:01
>>>>1.Bxb4 Rb6 2.Nc2 Qb2 3.Bc3
>>>>  +-  (2.20)   Depth: 2/2   00:00:01
>>>
>>>(...)
>>>
>>>>1.Nf5 Ra7 2.Nh6+ Kg7 3.Nf5+ Kf8 4.Rxb3 axb3 5.Bxb4 Rxb4 6.Nxd6 Ra2 7.Qf1 Rb2
>>>>8.c5 Qxb1 9.e5 Rxh4 10.Qxb1 Rxb1#
>>>>  -+  (-3.60)   Depth: 21/60   00:58:29  3388524kN
>>>
>>>One must wonder about a line where the program suggests a move that leads to
>>>itself getting mated in its main line. Especially when the mate isn't forced.
>>>:-)
>>>
>>>                                        Albert
>>
>>..and especially when it evaluates the mate as -3.60 :-)
>>
>>cheers
>>  martin
>
>It only proves that chess programs has a lot to improve if even the best program
>evaluates mate as -3.60.
>
>Movei never evaluates mate as -3.60 but unfortunately it has other weaknesses.
>
>Uri


Ok, so we’ve once again highlighted that Shredder 8 can have issues while
constructing its PV, maybe as a side effect of an optimisation…  no news here
:-)

How about the “minor” detail that neither Shredder or Fritz stick with e5 when
given an hour or so to analyse… isn’t this more relevant to this thread…   oh
well…  :-)

Gordon




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