Author: Daniel Jackson
Date: 07:51:55 10/06/04
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On October 06, 2004 at 03:37:54, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On October 05, 2004 at 12:21:16, Daniel Jackson wrote: > >>On October 05, 2004 at 09:12:13, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On October 05, 2004 at 07:54:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>> >>>>On October 05, 2004 at 06:12:11, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 20:52:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 14:56:02, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 14:01:56, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 13:52:56, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 09:22:40, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 08:54:20, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On October 04, 2004 at 01:12:58, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>CM10 Default on a slow PIII 500 can't hold Black's position, even before Kramnik >>>>>>>>>>>>made errors. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I don't trust CM10 to handle this endgame, still it does show that 15..a6 >>>>>>>>>>>>followed by 16.Bxa6 is better for White and is difficult to defend. >>>>>>>>>>>>BTW CM10 couldn't find 16.Bxa6, I had to manually input the moves, then set it >>>>>>>>>>>>to autoplay. If there is a draw, I'll have to start at 24.gxf3 or even earlier. >>>>>>>>>>>>This exchange to the endgame isn't particularly good. It may be down right >>>>>>>>>>>>terrible!? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Kramnik imho played a bad line regardless of its draw record, and if programs >>>>>>>>>>>>can't see 16.Bxa6! is good then they can't "understand" the nuances of the far >>>>>>>>>>>>reaching consequences that arise after 16.Bxa6! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>40/2 Tournament Time Controls >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.10.3"] >>>>>>>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster"] >>>>>>>>>>>>[Black "Chessmaster"] >>>>>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "40/7200"] >>>>>>>>>>>>[Result "*"] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.cxd5 >>>>>>>>>>>>Nxd5 9.Nxd5 exd5 10.a3 Nc6 11.Bd3 Bb6 12.O-O Bg4 13.h3 Bh5 14.b4 Re8 >>>>>>>>>>>>15.Rc1 a6 16.Bxa6 Rxa6 17.b5 Rxa3 18.bxc6 bxc6 19.Rxc6 Ra7 20.Rd6 Rd7 >>>>>>>>>>>>21.Qxd5 Rxd6 22.Qxd6 Qxd6 23.Bxd6 Bxf3 24.gxf3 Bd8 25.Rb1 Bf6 26.Kg2 g6 >>>>>>>>>>>>27.f4 Kg7 28.Rb7 Re6 29.Rd7 Re8 30.Ra7 Re6 31.Bc5 Rc6 32.Ra5 Bc3 33.Rb5 >>>>>>>>>>>>Ra6 34.Rb3 Bf6 35.Rb8 h5 36.Rb5 Bc3 37.Rb3 Bf6 38.e4 Ra5 39.Be3 Ra4 >>>>>>>>>>>>40.e5 Be7 41.Rb7 Kf8 42.Rb8+ Kg7 43.Kf3 Rc4 44.Ke2 Ra4 45.Kd3 Ra3+ >>>>>>>>>>>>46.Kc4 Ra4+ 47.Kd5 Ra5+ 48.Kc6 Ra6+ 49.Rb6 Ra8 50.Rb7 Kf8 51.Ba7 Rc8+ >>>>>>>>>>>>52.Kd5 Rc3 53.Rb8+ Kg7 54.Be3 Ra3 55.Rb7 Ra5+ 56.Kc4 Kf8 57.Rb8+ Kg7 >>>>>>>>>>>>58.Bd4 Ra4+ 59.Kd5 Bh4 60.Rc8 Kh7 61.f3 Rb4 62.Rc6 Ra4 63.Rc7 Kg8 >>>>>>>>>>>>64.Rc8+ Kh7 65.Rc4 Rxc4 66.Kxc4 Kg7 67.Kd5 Kf8 68.Ke4 Ke7 69.f5 gxf5+ >>>>>>>>>>>>70.Kxf5 Kd7 71.f4 Be7 72.Ke4 Kc6 73.f5 Bh4 74.f6 Kd7 75.Kf5 Kd8 76.e6 >>>>>>>>>>>>Ke8 77.Bc5 Bg3 78.Kg5 Be5 79.h4 Bb2 80.Be7 Bc1+ 81.Kxh5 Be3 82.Bd6 * >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I resigned the game for Chessmaster as Black is hopelessly lost. >>>>>>>>>>>The programs dont play Bxa6 for good reasons ; analyze the game with any program >>>>>>>>>>>and you willsee that 20...Ra7 was the error ; if he plays 20...Re6 instead White >>>>>>>>>>>has nothing ;for example Fritz 6 considers 20...Ra7? an error.Also from your >>>>>>>>>>>previous post I gather that you may have the time controls wrong. The second >>>>>>>>>>>time control is 20 moves in 1 hour and the third time control is game in 15 >>>>>>>>>>>minutes with 30 second increments. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>20..Ra7 wasn't the best no, 20..Re6 is better but leaves White slightly better. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>This is ridiculous. >>>>>>>>>Anand and Kramnik played 20...Ra7 in this position although they _of course_ >>>>>>>>>knew about the possibility 20...Re6 (It was played before). >>>>>>>>>They obviously thought it isn´t better at all after home analysis. >>>>>>>>>You tell us they were wrong without any supporting analysis? >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>You are the one who said this is ridiculous. Confused? It is me who should be >>>>>>asking who you are! >>>>> >>>>>??? >>>>> >>>>>>Well he lost didn't he? The line sucks! I don't need to rip it apart to >realize this. >>>>>>Who are you to say this is ridiculous! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>These are your own words. >>>>>Nonsense of course since it was a mainline in the Qeens Gambit declined. >>>>>Kasparov,Kramnik,Anand and Short played the line 15...a6 already. >>>>>White threatens g4,Bxg6,b5 with very uncomfortable position for black. >>>> >>>>Nonsense now? Since when are you a Grandmaster? >>> >>>> >>>>The line is inferior, I stand by that, and no idiot is going to tell me what is >>>>ridiculous and what is best play! >>> >>>I guess most people here know who is really the idiot. >> >>I doubt it, and I don't care what they think! Most are not Chess Players and >>none are known Grandmasters! >>> >>>You are either the board troll who changed handles constantly in the past simply >>>because he is too chicken-hearted to post under his real name or you have a USCF >>>rating <=1629. >>> >> >>Wrong on both accounts Watson! I'm a Master Player...you're a Puck! > >You are maybe a Master troll but for sure not a Master in Chess. You're an idiot...Yes I'm a Chess Master and I'll not tolerate insults from a Wannabe Master....or Patzer...in Toronto in the park we refered to guys like you as a puck....and just took your money! You're a troll, not me....please stick your head in the toilet and flush the sh!t out of your head! > >> >>>In the latter case your judgement of opening choices by SuperGMs is pretty much >>>ridiculous. >> >>You're pretty ignorant. Go play some checkers... >>> >>>> >>>>There are many lines with 20..Re6 which are drawish. >>> >>>At best you end up in the same endgame 3 vs 4 pawns, Rooks, Bishops. >>> >>>> >>>>21.Qc1 is the main move after that and it favours White less then the 20.Ra7 >>>>line....I don't believe that 15..a6(?) is good and that is where the trouble >>>>begins. I doubt you'll see Kramnik play it again! >>>> >>>>Why do assume something is good when the top three have played it? Don't you >>>>know that these guys often prepare lines on less then best moves or slightly >>>>inferior lines on purpose as they are stronger than their opposition? >>> >>>No way, QGD is a solid defence against 1.d4. >>> >>>> >>>>That is there key to success over the other GM's...knowing how to handle >>>>imbalanced positions better than the rest. >>>> >>>>But it doesn't always work...and Leko said, "Show Me the Money!" and Kramnik was >>>>bankrupt! >>> >>>He wasn´t bankrupt. He just had a bad day, therefore he didn´t manage to draw a >>>drawish endgame. >>> >>>> >>>>I felt Kramnik would win this match, and he still may....but Leko is looking >>>>good and has nearly equal chances. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am someone who tries to get some information before criticising top players. >>>>>>>They usually know why they play certain opening moves. >>>>>> >>>>>>All I'm saying is they make mistakes...if one move is out of place, then poof!; >>>>>>There goes your analysis! >>>>>> >>>>>>That aside, I've great admiration as chess players, for both Kramnik and Anand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I referred to "20..Re6 is better but leaves White slightly better". >>>>>>>19...Re6 20.Qc1 or 19...Re6 20.Rxe6 fxe6 21.Qc1 and now what? >>>>>>>Who are you to decide what move is actually better in this position? >>>>>>>Some GMs even annotated games with 19...Ra7! (19...Re6?). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Check yourself or use a computer or both....the line stinks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As for supporting analysis, Leko gave plenty! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Forget the T/C, I wasn't trying to reproduce them...my point is the line Kramnik >>>>>>>>>>chose wasn't the best, and it gives White an early shot to seize the intiative. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>AFAIAC the T/C should be exactly as they were in the 80's, but that is another >>>>>>>>>>story.
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