Author: Uri Blass
Date: 16:02:19 10/08/04
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On October 08, 2004 at 17:37:58, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>On October 07, 2004 at 16:35:21, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>
>>[Event "?"]
>>[Site "?"]
>>[Date "????.??.??"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Sergey Karjakin"]
>>[Black "Junior"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "B90"]
>>[Annotator "Robot 1"]
>>[PlyCount "83"]
>>
>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. f3 e5 7. Nb3 Be6 8. Be3
>>Be7 9. Qd2 h5 10. Nd5 Bxd5 11. exd5 Nbd7 12. Be2 Rc8 13. c4 h4 14. O-O h3 15.
>>g3 O-O 16. Na5 Qc7 17. b4 Rfe8 18. Rfd1 Nb8 19. Rac1 e4 20. f4 Qd7 21. c5 dxc5
>>22. bxc5 Bf8 23. d6 Nc6 24. Nc4 Rb8 25. Rb1 Qe6 26. Rb3 g6 27. Nb6 Bg7 28. Nd5
>>Qd7 29. Nxf6+ Bxf6 30. Bc4 a5 31. a3 Ra8 32. Rb5 a4 33. Qe2 Bg7 34. Bd5 Ra7 35.
>>Kf2 Bf6 36. Rb6 Kf8 37. Rdb1 Bg7 38. g4 Bh8 39. Kg3 f5 40. g5 Qh7 41. Bxc6 bxc6
>>42. Rxc6 {Junior Team resigned 1-0} 1-0
>>
>>There is a lot to do for the computers to reach this level of chess. Sorry, but
>>i have to say this, because here in germany we have this "experts" from the
>>css-magazine that told us every day that the computers are too strong for
>>2700-Elo players. Sorry, but people with this view of the world have to learn a
>>lot about chess. It´s always the same, if you don´t learn positionalchess you
>>will never play in the league of 2700 Elo.
>>
>>TL
>
>You need to have a monster like Deep Blue to really play strong chess.
>The PC's are grossly over-hyped and Deep Blue is grossly-under-appreciated.
>
>Bob says DB was 10 years ahead of its time speed-wise.
So what?
speed is not everything.
Junior8 beated Arasan when Arasan had a big hardware advantage.
>He said he never saw a team with a better record in the ACM events.
They were the best in their time and it proves nothing about comparison to today
programs.
>He said the depths it was reaching were super.
It is impossible to compare depth.
They got smaller nominal depth then most of today programs.
>And this is with a lot more evaluation than anyone gave them credit for.
Size of evaluation does not say nothing.
>
>I have a sorry to say and that is the joke that Deep Junior or Deep Fritz
>are anywhere near the final Deep Blue. They aren't. That is the joke of
>the sales team pushing for your dollars.
Yes they are not near the final deeper blue.
They are clearly better.
They can play chess.
Deeper blue cannot do it after winning against kasparov.
If you compare by results then their result was not better because it is logical
to assume that humans learned since 1997 to play better and at that time they
had weaker machines to learn from them.
I also do not understand why you start comparison with deeper blue that is not
the topic here.
Uri
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