Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: next SSDF list...when?

Author: Tony Hedlund

Date: 01:47:39 10/15/04

Go up one level in this thread


On October 14, 2004 at 13:59:15, James T. Walker wrote:

>On October 14, 2004 at 12:19:39, William Penn wrote:
>
>>On October 14, 2004 at 09:32:37, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On October 14, 2004 at 02:29:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 13, 2004 at 20:36:53, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 13, 2004 at 08:03:36, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 13, 2004 at 07:21:53, William Penn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's good to see these test results being posted here again!
>>>>>>>Any idea when the next SSDF list will be published? Sorry if that has already
>>>>>>>been mentioned. I was away from this board for awhile.
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>WP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know. It seem like my friends are losing interest. We are now discussing
>>>>>>if/how we will continue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope that before you decide to quit you will at least consider using shorter
>>>>>time controls.  Nobody plays 40/2 anymore except SSDF.
>>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>1)It is not nobody.
>>>>As far as I know thorsten is using 40/120 in his tournaments and other people
>>>>like Leo use 40/40 on faster hardware that is almost the same as 40/120.
>>>>
>>>>The time control in WCCC was 60/120+30 but considering the faster hardware it is
>>>>even slower time control than SSDF.
>>>>
>>>>2)The fact that most people use shorter time control is a good reason to have
>>>>40/120 because we have enough information about
>>>>shorter time control.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>"Nobody" means humans in tournaments/matches not computers.  The WCCC time
>>>control is fine.  The fact that SSDF is using old/slow hardware in comparison is
>>>not important at this time.  Most people are not using Quads at home now.  I was
>>>suggesting the faster time controls to increase data in a given amount of time
>>>since I believe that results will not vary greatly from 3 min/move to 2 min/move
>>>or even faster.  Getting faster results is more interesting to most testers than
>>>sticking to the old 40/2.  (My opinion from experience beta testing with others)
>>>Jim
>>
>>I am only interested in correspondence chess, so the slower the better. For that
>>purpose 40/2 is borderline acceptable as a testing time control, but certainly
>>not anything faster.
>>
>>A minimum time control for correspondence play is 1 hour per move, but
>>preferably at least 4 hours per move for each player. That comes to 80-320 hours
>>of computer time needed for a 40 move game.
>>
>>Don't say it is impossible. This sort of long computer analysis is being used by
>>thousands of correspondence chess players today!
>>WP
>
>Never said it was impossible.  You are welcome to run games/analysis at any time
>control you wish.  If you think the SSDF or any other testing body will be happy
>to do the same you are wrong.  I believe that nothing they do should be
>interpreted as being relavent at 4 hours/move.  If you think 3 min/move is good
>enough for 1-4 hours/move analysis you are in a small minority.  None of this
>has anything to do with the direction the topic was drifting towards.  The SSDF
>is losing interest in testing even at 40/2.  I was only expressing my wish that
>they consider shorter time controls before quiting completely.  It seems the
>SSDFs main purpose was to provide computer chess enthusiast with data on
>different programs strength relative to each other.  They started with the 40/2
>time control because it was fashionable and pretty much standard.  It is out of
>fashion now and I have maintained for the past 3/4 years that they should
>consider faster time controls to keep up with the times.
>Jim

The time controls is not an issue. We will probably continue, and of course at
40/2.

Tony



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.