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Subject: Re: EGT info ...

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 11:26:18 10/19/04

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On October 19, 2004 at 13:29:47, Anthony Cozzie wrote:

>I would really really like to see some W/L/D tables from Eugene.  His current
>DTM tables are great, but the 6 man versions are just too big.  No one has 3 TB
>of disk space, except maybe Bob.  What I would like to see is a 5-man DTM and a
>6 man W/L/D.  I suspect that they could compress that into 100GB for the whole
>set, which would be pretty reasonable.

I would fear, that WDL is not enough to win some difficult positions. Perhaps
even a large part of the ones that an engine cannot win without support of TBs.
Think for example of those KNNKP positions (to give even a 5-men example - I
suspect more such cases in 6-men), where 45 moves of shuffling is needed. WDL
would say won for many positions, but the engine would have a hard time to make
progress. In some KQPKQ positions the same problem, even in KQKR. In the later
WDL tables will basically say won for most positions, but without some more or
less specific endgame knowledge, an engine will not be able to win it. If it has
that knowledge, it won't need the TBs at all ...

Of course, I think that WDL tables are useful, too.

Regards,
Dieter



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