Author: Mark Young
Date: 20:26:07 10/19/04
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On October 19, 2004 at 22:45:25, Jonas Bylund wrote: >On October 19, 2004 at 21:50:51, Mark Young wrote: > >>On October 19, 2004 at 21:13:23, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On October 19, 2004 at 20:16:50, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On October 19, 2004 at 18:54:53, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>> >>>>>Garry Kasparov (2815) - Veselin Topalov (2725) >>>>>[B07] >>>>>Wijk aan Zee 61st (Hoogovens) Chess Festival >>>>>(Round # 4), 01.1999 >>>>> >>>>>http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1011478 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.geocities.com/lifemasteraj/kasp-topa1.html >>>> >>>>[d]b2r3r/k4p1p/p2q1np1/NppP4/3R1Q2/P4PPB/1PP4P/1K2R3 b - - 0 24 >>>> >>>>This was not the best game ever played!! 24. Rxd4 does not deserve a !! point. >>>>The move was flawed, and why comuters will not play this move. It gains white >>>>nothing with the correct 24..Kb6!. When many of us found Kb6 showing Rxd4 gains >>>>nothing. This game lost any hope of being the best game ever played. >>>> >>>>Computers today find Kb6 very quickly. >>>> >>> >>>I disagree -- it is a great move IMO -- it has the element of a surprise , it >>>generates many losing opportunities for black ,it is probably at least a draw >>>for white and it has great entertainment value. These are the type moves GMs >>>should be rewarded for not dissed on. TYhis move makes for great , entertaining >>>chess. You do know that in great likelihood the perfect game (if there is a >>>such a thing) is probably a plain boring draw. I say "bravo" for playing Rxd4! >> >>It is not a diss to say this was not the best game ever play. It is only the >>truth. The point is no one would ever remember 24.Rxd4 or this game if GM >>Topalov would have played the correct 24..Kb6. This is the point. Which proves >>it was not a great move or game. It was the Best Greatest Mistake by GM Topalov, >>not the BGEP in the history of chess. > >It is not a question if it is a "diss" or not, I agree. there is no absolute truth to >wheter this is the greatest game or not, nor any other games for that matter. >Opinion is subjective and as the old saying goes "The player who makes the least >mistakes win" and that however minute they may be. The header of this post reads >"Best Chess Game Ever Played?" it is not a statement. And by the way i am sure Right. No one said otherwise. But lets not put to fine a point on subjectivity. No one would agree that any of our games we play are the BGEP. There are some universal standards we must follow...I would hope.:) And IMO the Kasparov win does not rise to the level of the BGEP, and I was able to show good reasons why it does not meet this standard. >Topalov disagrees that this was his greatest mistake... I'm sure he does.:)
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